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Mayor Pro Tem Says Malibu High Uses Pesticides Appropriately

Laura Zahn Rosenthal challenges the content of a Malibu Patch blog critical of the high school's use of pesticides. She says the writer did not investigate the situation.

 

Editor's Note: The following comments were made by Mayor Pro Tem Laura Zahn Rosenthal at Monday's City Council meeting. These are her exact words. No changes have been made.

There were a couple of issues I wanted to talk about. The first one was an article that—it wasn't an article; it was a blog post that was on the Patch, and then I believe one of the newspapers followed up on it, about some pesticides at Malibu High School, and there were some issues raised about that. Unfortunately, these things were written about without any investigation into really what the procedures are and what the truth is. And so, I am kind of taking it upon myself now to tell you what the issues are.

And I want to thank Bob Stallings, the head of our park and recs department here, for helping me with this as well as speaking to the principal at Malibu High as well as speaking with Board of Education members. And with a little research, this is what the writers could have found out—that there has been a big problem with ground squirrels at Malibu High School, not on the fields, but in the hillsides. And actually the school had gotten a notice from the county to take care of this problem. They were running amuck, I guess would be a good word to describe it.

And that the school district—like our city, like LAUSD—follows what California Safe Schools organization recommends, which is called an IPM, which is a pest management strategy that focuses on long-term prevention and suppression of pest problems through a combination of techniques. But because they do use what's called a toxin, they have to put up certain warnings.

But I was glad to know that the toxin that they do use is a toxin that is in pellet form. It is put down a hole. The holes are covered up so nothing gets out. The ground squirrels that do eat them die. But the poison does not stay in their bodies, so that if they die above ground and another animal eats them, there is nothing left to affect the other animal, whether it be a coyote, a dog, a bird or anything like that.

And I really encourage people if they have questions about this or they see something that disturbs them, rather than yelling fire, to find out the correct information, then maybe they can pass that along to the other members of our community. 

 


Jo Ruggles

1:10 am on Thursday, September 15, 2011

I appreciate the research done by Mayor Pro Tem Laura Rosenthal. However, I would like to know the chemical composition of the "evaporating" pellet that is alleged to have been used for the rodent control, as I do not know of any toxic chemical (other than a gas) that "evaporates" in the animal's body post mortem.

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Susan Tellem

10:02 am on Thursday, September 15, 2011

The operative word is pesticides. I'll bet there are alternatives for rural animal loving Malibu. As for squirrels running amuck...were they stealing people's purses, throwing rocks, biting dogs, eating term papers?

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John

11:40 am on Friday, September 16, 2011

Funny, but if any of those kids caught the Plague from these rodents, there would be serious problems. Once a squirrel has the plague, a mosquito or a flea can carry this on to lots of other animals including people. The squirrels carry all kinds of diseases, but the Plague is the most common and the worst of them all. Most of us love animals but when they are not endangered and threaten the health and safety of the human population, we need to take action.

Hans Laetz

7:59 am on Thursday, September 15, 2011

If you think you are confused now, just wait til you read about this in one of the local weeklies.

It describes the chemical as a fumigant, when the application as described by the mayor was in a pellet, microdose form. It also talks about a family that was killed in their basement in Colorado. That was a severe overdose by an unqualified contractor. Did the newspaper investigate if such a dosage happened in Malibu? Why did the newspaper go on at length about fumigants, when this was a low level bait, assumably (we don't know) applied at very low dosage.

I am still waiting for any journalist, anywhere, to pose these questions to the responsible authority, rather than run transcripts from an elected official and then retreat to the internet to do research online about worst case scenarios that are totally nonapplicable here.

Were the fields at Malibu High sprayed, as a city commissioner alleged at a city meeting? Were they fumigated, as described by the local weekly?

I. too, would like a statement from the SMMUSD (or the city of Malibu -- it's a city joint use park). What exactly was applied? Where? Who ordered it, and why? What was the dose? Why the warning?

And most importantly, why was this done without adequate notice? This whole mess could have been so easily avoided. Sometimes the SMMUSD just doesn't think ahead.

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Jimy Tallal

11:45 am on Thursday, September 15, 2011

If the problem with squirrels is "not in the fields, but in the hillsides," then why do they have to be killed? What problems are they causing in the hillsides, where no one goes? Quartz, you sound hysterical. Whatever you're reading was probably "planted" out there by the manufacturers of rodenticides. Is there a single instance in the U.S. of any human ever being killed by anything carried by a ground squirrel? How would any pathogen even be transmitted from squirrel to human? Have you ever tried to manually catch a ground squirrel? It can't be done. Do you know how deep their holes are? Give me a break. Any death from poison is not a kind or pretty death for these animals.

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Kristin Kiefer

12:56 pm on Thursday, September 15, 2011

A pathogen such as Yersinia pestis (plague) is transmitted from squirrels to humans via fleas. Yes, people have died in the US from the plague but it is uncommon. There are only about 10-20 cases/year in the US.

Carol Moss

12:26 pm on Thursday, September 15, 2011

I, too, problems with killing squirrels. I grew up long ago in the city of Chicago where squirrels were commonplace. We co-existed at close quarters, but then there were no pesticide interests telling us, and the city bureaucracies, that we were in grave danger.
Are the hillsides used by the students? It would seem that the fields are used and there is not a problem there. If this is the case, why be concerned about the hillsides?

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John

11:49 am on Friday, September 16, 2011

Ground squirrels are quite different from those cute tree squirrels that you have in Chicago. These little guys are like dirty little rats. I love them like I do all animals, but they threaten the health and safety of the students. Why is everybody more concerned about the F'n squirrels than the students?

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Jonathan Friedman

4:18 pm on Thursday, September 15, 2011

Some of you may recognize Jimy Tallal as a writer of news articles for Malibu Patch. While Jimy is free to have her opinions and share them, her posts here do not mean that Malibu Patch has taken a stance on this issue. Malibu Patch does not take a stance on anything except that Malibu is great, and when it comes to sports, we always root for the home team. Jimy will not be writing any news stories on this subject since she has an obvious bias. Reza Gostar is working on a story right now that will appear on Malibu Patch early next week.

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Terry

5:21 pm on Thursday, September 15, 2011

you just dont know how bad it was. because it is better now.

one day i was on the fields and a helicopter flew over and i thought i saw 10,000 squirles
they were everywhere. it was so radical. plus the fields were full of gophers and it
was just a mess.

theschool had animal pest management who was worthless for years. the guy who services the school now i believe from western puts up signs on the field and will answer any questions you might have.

i got to go with the health department on this one
terry

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Hans Laetz

7:33 pm on Thursday, September 15, 2011

Here, just like with Rep. Bachmann, we have an attention-seeking crusader using bad science, or no science at all, to attack big, bad government.

There are well-meaning people who are against any use of any pesticide at any time. There are STILL people who will not inoculate their children because they fell for a fake, discredited study from Britain a decade ago. There are people who chose not to eat meat, or drink chocolate milk. They are entitled to their opinions.

They are not entitled, however, to endanger public health and push their opinions on the rest of us, the vast majority.

The fact of the matter is that the school district must act in the public health interest if animals recognized by law as vermin overpopulate the campus.

Just two days ago, the LA Tiomes ran an article about ground squirrels in Glendale eating through ground wires -- not actual electrical circuits, just a ground. They have caused explosions, equipment meltdowns, and home damage. They could easily electrocuted someone, or caused a fire.

I have seen hillsides eroded by squirrel dens, endangering expensive buildings above and below the slope. I have seen fields cratered with holes. I have seen mice and rats in the garbage can areas.

There is legal liability if a person cracks an ankle in a gopher hole.

If a child gets bit by a pest, or develops an illness caused by that vector, we the taxpayer will be on the hook.

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John

12:05 pm on Friday, September 16, 2011

I would be perfectly happy to help a young person get better from the plague, but when it can be prevented but someone got sand in their pants, I would be really upset and disgusted.

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