Urban Outfitters Eyes Cross Creek Location in Malibu

Developers are hoping for a June 2013 opening for an Urban Outfitters at the former Charter Communications Building on Cross Creek Road in Malibu.

Malibu-based commercial developer J&P Limited has pulled permits to make improvements to the former Charter Communications building to bring Urban Outfitters to the Cross Creek area of Malibu.

Under a tenant improvement permit application, which was filed on Nov. 19, the store would be located in a 10,611 square foot space at 3806 Cross Creek Road near Civic Center Way. Developers are aiming for a June 2013 opening.

The proposed location, which is currently surrounded by a fence and under construction, is across from Taverna Tony.

The plans are currently under review by the city’s Planning Department, and its Environmental Health division, which will determine if the onsite wastewater treatment system needs an overhaul, according to Amanda Lafond, the city’s planning technician.

A review of the preliminary plans at Malibu City Hall show the store will have an upper and lower sale area, fitting rooms and bathrooms. The proposed hours of operation are 10 a.m. to 9 p.m. daily.

Because the area is zoned for retail, the store does not require a conditional use permit, Lafond said.

Urban Outfitters has 130 locations across the United States. The store includes apparel for men and women from the 18 to 30 year-old range. The nearest locations to Malibu are in Ventura, Thousand Oaks, Canoga Park and Santa Monica.

The company Urban Outfitters, Inc. includes the brands Urban Outfitters, Anthropologie, Free People, Terrain and BHLDN.

City staff is currently researching a formula retail ordinance, which has not been put into effect. The proposed ordinance would require any new chain stores in shopping centers with more than 10,000 square feet in the Civic Center area of Malibu to apply for a conditional use permit.  

Paul Grisanti November 28, 2012 at 11:01 PM
I guess you don't like our sidewalk on Cross Creek either.
Paul Grisanti November 28, 2012 at 11:03 PM
Access is Portshead
Paul Grisanti November 28, 2012 at 11:06 PM
Sorry, I had assumed that we were talking about a legal small business that is subject to governmental oversight.
Hans Laetz November 28, 2012 at 11:07 PM
You may well be right, but I was just this afternoon told differently by someone with access to public records. Maybe the title has changed. The lay of the land has not changed, and you are certainly correct, the largest available chunk of commercial land available in Malibu is not at the Civic Center, it is at Point Dume.
Hans Laetz November 28, 2012 at 11:11 PM
I love our little crosswalks (3 of them) on Cross Creek. I shudder to think what will happen to that quanit little brand new streetscape when it becomes the main access route to Whole Foods, the CommunityCollege, La Gordita (I mean La Paz), the Sycamore complex on the Ioki site, and the piece of commercial land for sale behind City Hall. I can't wait for the Realtor/Developer/Investor' dream to be realized, so Webb Way can be widened to six lanes, and Cross Creek will be so overburdened that all that nice fancy onstreet parking and pretty crosswalks will have to be yanked out for two traffic lanes each way Oh goody.
Terry November 29, 2012 at 01:46 PM
i just do not understand why any one person would presume to have such a level to be able to determine what is best for malibu or what malibu needs. its very easy for a non vested individual to tell somebody else what to do with their property. especially when u are not the one paying taxs or mortgage on the property. i dont see u stepping forward to buy a park for malibu. pam ulick had brought up buying the 10 acres that donald sterling bought at point dume for a park and it was shot down.why do think u can tell property owners what to build or landlords who to rent to and above all arrogance say whats best for malibu. if u have the wherewithall u could by where the property where the malibu stage company is and donate it to the city. i am sure u got or can raise the money. and thats the bottom line
Terry November 29, 2012 at 02:23 PM
personally for the record-----i believe there should be much better planning and zoning here in malibu. i dont think there should be further commercial development on the coast highway. i believe we should have a well planned civic center area with much more property and a lot of walking and intergated shopping and living areas and encourage some low cost living units available to teachers, fire and police. i believe the commercial properties on the pch should be downzoned to residential and the owners given transfer development credits that can be exchange with civic center property owners for commercial upzoning. further i believe the septic in the civic center should be paid for by the commercial developers and there should be no charges to residential properties. i believe that the colony, malibu road and serra retreat and properties on the pch by carbon should be hooked up to this system. its good constructive planning that can preserve our future here in malibu to keep the majority or malibu rural. this pierce by piece attempt that our city is making now will not be sucessful in the short or long run.
Marianne Riggins November 29, 2012 at 02:33 PM
Terry, you are right to suggest the Malibu Stage co property should be purchased and donated for public benefit, it is just a matter of time until we hear that they will be shut down by a new owner. Prehaps a non profit could be formed to accomplish this goal.
Marianne Riggins November 29, 2012 at 02:52 PM
We may be a town of 13,000, but the fact is that we are host to millions whether we want to admit it or not and sales tax is the only legal way to collect money for public safety and other services we have to provide. One of the ways that we already have to ensure that resident serving business is through existing zoning rules. Trancas, Pt. Dume and some areas east of the civic center are zoned Commercial Neighborhood which states that resident serving business are the goal. Much of the Civic Center is zoned Commercial Visitor Serving so it is understandable that more visitor serving business would be located there. What we should be working on is creating a community that promotes more walking, biking and use of mass transit to reduce vehicle trips on PCH.
Marianne Riggins November 29, 2012 at 03:06 PM
You are right that small business is good for the local ecomomy, but it is unfair to assume that larger business could not be good neighbors. We as a community need to let all the businesses in Malibu know that they should be more involved in our small community and support our communtiy groups, schools and other businesses. Collective we make up this community, but I see very little link between our various interests. Business interests in Santa Monica donate millions to schools and community groups and in return Santa Monica residents support their business, large and small. Yes, Santa Monica does embrace their tourists, but they recognize that helps cover the costs of vital services that everyone uses.
Josh Spiegel November 29, 2012 at 08:34 PM
I think most people mostly feel the same way as you Terry. Now how do we get there without finger pointing, pissing matches, chest puffing, keyboard bullies, and bring FEASIBLE ideas and dreams to fruition?
Hans Laetz November 29, 2012 at 10:51 PM
Yes. Pam's proposal was shot down by the other four counilmembers. The city had no money for it. Now that the city treasury gets back the money it advanced to the civic center sewage district, maybe we can get the ball rolling on a parks purchase in western Malibu. I have indeed stepped forward, and it looks like Trancas Lagoon will become a natural habitat park after years of working without any city support for that little trophy. I spent a lot of my own money on that, and am damn proud. The Rosenthal Committee has been working hard to acquire land for parks in the Civic Center area, and I wish them success. I do point out that there is a need for parks and open space in western Malibu, perhaps more so than at the CIvic Center. The largest commercial center in Malibu could be built not at the Civic Center, but at Heathercliff, and that would affect traffic at both ends of town. I am glad this discussion has prompted Terry, Marianne and others to start talking about the parks needs of western Malibu. No point in being such a sorehead about the lights. You fought, you lost, you don't like me. Got it.
Josh Spiegel November 29, 2012 at 11:05 PM
@Hans, What Trancas "Lagoon"? I lived at 6328 Frondosa for 20 years and it has ALWAYS been a creek. If you are talking about the pond with the tad pols and beer cans, it is just a pond. Semantics I suppose as far as I'm concerned. As far as the old Riders and Ropers property there, being left as open space... GOLD STAR for you brother! no more shanty town. That was and always will be my back yard.
Hans Laetz November 29, 2012 at 11:21 PM
Dude, if salt water flows into it, it's a lagoon under federal and state water laws. You remind me of the City Biologist, he once said the same thing. I've got photos from every year dating back to 1998 of waves topping the bern and flowing into what you and the city disparage as a tadpole pond. In '99 , waves broke under the PCH bridge - one guy surfed the channel. The Trancas Creek and Lagoon right now are the number two priority habitat restoration in the SM Mtns for the NPS, MRCA and Fish and Game. The Riders and Ropers plot is part of the land acquisition that appears to be underway. Poor little Trancas Lagoon was trashed and filled over the centuries. In the 1950s, people caught steelhead trout where HOWS is (was) with rod and reel. The NPS thinks it can be restored. It looks like the Dubbert family (which owns the market) is making great strides with the feds to turn it over under some sort of purchase arrangement. And let me assure you that I regularly clean up the beer cans, mattresses, condoms (ewww shovel and gloves) and construction debris thrown in it. I have never seen tadpoles at PCH, I think the water is too salty. There are, however, tadpoles at the tiny pond at the bottom of the concrete channel. Trancas "Lagoon" is what will save the Riders plot as open space, my friend.
Josh Spiegel November 29, 2012 at 11:21 PM
@Hans if it will save the property I will call it whatever you want. As far as Steelhead in the creek, 50 years ago I can't verify that. I can, however, show you a pic of one I got 1/2 mile up from the tennis court when I was 12. Cheers.
Hans Laetz November 29, 2012 at 11:23 PM
I would absolutely love to see that picture. The NPS is looking for pictures of trout from the creek for its project. If you can scan it, or would let me bring my scanner to you yo make a copy, it would greatly help the effort for them to buy the lagoon and Riders site That is terrific news!
Hans Franz November 29, 2012 at 11:33 PM
Does Hans beat off to MSNBC at night?
Paul Grisanti November 30, 2012 at 02:10 AM
All the park opposition that I have seen in my 35 years in this community has come from neighboring residental properties.
Pam November 30, 2012 at 04:54 AM
When someone buys land in Malibu they have to spend big to develop it-residential and commercial. Unless, the owner is doing it for charity, he needs to make money. He's going to sell or lease for a PROFIT (i know, nails on a blackboard to you, Hans). Many local businesses cannot afford the current commercial rent prices and that is unfortunate, but you can thank your local and state-wide agencies for some of the most restrictive building/land use regulations in the country. And your "high rises" on the beach? Instead of one nine-storey project on one lot you get three three-story projects. You cannot stop growth.
Hans Laetz November 30, 2012 at 05:08 AM
No, Rachel Maddow is gay and I am not.
Hans Laetz November 30, 2012 at 05:10 AM
"Sorry, I had assumed that we talking..." etc etc etc So sorry that my reply went through your head without finding brain matter, but the point was you are not the IRS and do not get details. Not that I have to justify my modest lifestyle to a Realtor, but I am a partner is a small California business with 7 employees and about $2 million in annual sales. I have a Schedule C to worry about every year. And Pam, "profit" is music to my ears and what pays for my Malibu house. And if a developer wants to buy in Malibu, the developer is going to have to follow the rules. Tough. So enough with the ad hominem and the snark, all right?
Pam November 30, 2012 at 05:16 AM
Hans, if you expect me to believe you, you will have to stop talking like a NIMBY. And, I must have missed it but what rules is the developer not following? Isn't this just about you trying to preserve what you think is best for the rest of us? What rules aren't they following? Please elaborate.
Pam November 30, 2012 at 05:33 AM
You don't find it amusing that in the same reply in which you instruct me to stop the snark you say, "so sorry that my reply went through your head without finding brain matter"? You should because that is rich and btw, I'm still waiting for your response to which rules are not being followed by the developer.
J. Flo November 30, 2012 at 10:24 AM
Both are needed, it's about balance. Creating a Malibu that is clearly in line with the blueprint of the General Plan. There is room for corporate chains and Independents, but unfortunately with this David and Goliath atmosphere the Independent business are fighting an uneven and imbalanced battle to survive in Malibu. Clear plans will safeguard that. I agree - good point, all businesses should add to the community, and not only the schools but the many causes in this town that need aid. A local, independent store who gives constant donations of their goods to local charities was telling some of us that a local group came in - they donated baskets of free goods as they always do. The residents walked out, put the goods in their cars and then walked next door into a competing corporate chain and went shopping. I don't think people even think of asking chains to donate? Fairness has to be across the board, starting with each of our own awareness.
Hans Franz November 30, 2012 at 05:07 PM
Wow- homophobe spotted!
Josh Spiegel November 30, 2012 at 08:54 PM
I am stunned by the amount of BS going on in these blogs. I understand having opinions, but acting as if they are gospel and factual, is douchey. I think that most people in here "contributing" have no clue what they are talking about especially in the realm of real estate or real estate development. (Not you Paul) I am bowing out of these types of conversations, they never go anywhere and can be very divisive. Have a good, safe weekend EVERYONE! Be nice. ~Josh
Ed November 30, 2012 at 09:17 PM
Hans, just how does the wall violate the LCP? Especially since the LCP didn't apply to the issuance of the wall permit which was processed as an APR? (LCP Exempt--Title 17 applicable only). It must be really frustrating knowing that what is happening downtown is completely out of your control. I can only imagine how that must feel (worlds smallest violin).
J. Flo November 30, 2012 at 09:44 PM
Marianne, I keep thinking about your ideas on biking. I've lived in 3 other beach cities, all with extensive bike paths. Spent more time on my bike then car, which was great! Malibu is set up so differently, as much I'd love to ride here, I can't imagine I'll ever be peddling along a highway! :) The other cities had paths along the shore line, which is impossible here. It would be incredible to have paths in the center of town though. You mention this a lot, would like to hear more of your ideas!
Hans Laetz November 30, 2012 at 10:30 PM
The wall prohibits pedestrians from easily walking between shopping centers. LCP LUP section 5.A.2 says "commercial development policies provide for pedestrian and bicycle circulation to be provided within new commercial projects in order to minimize vehicular traffic." There should be a way to walk from Guido's to Urban Outfitters along the creek, under the LCP. Too bad we lost on that one. Actually, I feel great about what is happening downtown, in terms of citizen input. City staff is looking very closely at the specific land use violations that were filed because the developers glossed over rules. All the huge projects -- Whole Foods, the college, the hotel, etc. -- are in EIR and rest assured, they are not getting their way. More importantly, individual landowners have met with me and other activists and are changing their projects (a little) to address our concerns. I met with one owner this week and he is making some major changes as a result of CEQA comments. Are we going to win everything? No. There willl be some compromise, just like at Trancas. Hold your violins, they are so not necessary.
Marshall Thompson November 30, 2012 at 11:34 PM
Hey, is this kind of language really necessary? Grow up or shut up.


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