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Should the Navy Build a Drone Base Near Malibu?

The proposed base would host four unmanned planes at Point Mugu.

The U.S. Navy proposes to station a drone operations base at an airfield 15 miles west of Malibu, it was reported Saturday.

Navy Base Ventura County, Point Mugu will get about 700 jobs when four of the planes are stationed at the Navy airfield midway between Malibu and Ventura.

An environmental impact statement for the project was posted Friday, and first reported in the Ventura County Star.

Four unmanned, unarmed drones, called Tritons Unmanned Weapons Systems, would be stationed at Point Mugu, and other drones from Navy bases around the world would also land and takeoff at the Southern California base.

The planes are 48 feet long, but have 138-foot wingspans. They were unveiled at Palmdale last summer, and represent the military's next generation of remote control intelligence gear.

The environmental impact report said about five takeoffs and landings a day would be added at the Navy field. The planes would primarily take off and depart over the ocean, the Navy document said.

An existing fire station would be remodeled to provide quarters to control the planes. A new taxiway and hangar would be built at the base in future years.

Cameras and other remote-control sensors would be operated by military intelligence officers from flight levels altitudes of around 58,000 feet, the Navy said.

Between employees, support staff and families, the project would bring about 2,380 people to the region. Naval Base Ventura County includes the Point Mugu airfield, a port facility at Port Hueneme, and headquarters of the Navy Construction battalion, commonly called Seabees.

Comments on the Point Mugu drone base are being taken until March 11.

The impact report can be read online.

Zuma Skipper February 24, 2013 at 04:43 am
Why not, the drone program is the future of military warfare anyway. Maybe they will catch some of the Panga boats that seem to be able to land make it to the Malibu coastline.
Saltwater February 24, 2013 at 12:27 pm
Very misleading headline- Should the Navy Build a Drone Base Near Malibu?
Can the author explain what impact on Malibu takes place as a result of what occurs in Ventura at the naval base?
Fred February 24, 2013 at 01:17 pm
Sounds like they will be using their high powered cameras to also look at the celebs sunbathing in the Privacy of there own yards.
Just a thought . You know the young guys opperating those drones .
John McDonald February 24, 2013 at 01:17 pm
Why would we care? It is an airbase. Drones have wings. Patch, why make a fuss about it and why on earth does the Navy need to file an EIR? They should just get on with their job.
Fred February 24, 2013 at 01:25 pm
Wish we could use the Hell Fire missals on those panga's .
Would only take a few scorched boats to make them rethink their smuggling tactics .
V.P.A. February 24, 2013 at 01:37 pm
Anything that can kill innocent people by remote control several thousand miles away (Many many have been), to be down-wind, down-stream & down-tide from, to me, represents seriously bad Karma. Many of them now are not that much larger than a dragonfly & used by police. In Europe unarmed ones by film crews. The trigger puller often has no understanding of the lifestyles of the targets & misinterprets their moves, has no familiarity with their language nor general geography & migration. Ie: a fairly ignorant trigger puller/executioner. It speaks for itself.!
M Stanley February 24, 2013 at 03:41 pm
Drones from Navy bases all around the world would be utilizing this facility, making it a very real target to opposing forces around the world. Regardless of what I feel about how drones might be utilized to gain intelligence I am not pleased with the idea of how drone facilities could easily become the targets of choice in future attacks on our soil. I fully support drone technology such as that which brought about the Emily lifesaving robot aid for lifeguards and named after Emily Shane but not embracing drone weaponry. Considering that this will be a possible target to enemy forces, why not place it out on the Navy owned island and therefore minimize possible risks to the multitude of citizens that live near the combined Navy bases in Ventura?
Hans Laetz February 24, 2013 at 04:44 pm
The good news is Malibu gets a 24 hour security patrol drone.
The bad news is that TMZ got the contract.
Should Be Martin Sheen February 24, 2013 at 07:01 pm
Drones are Weapons of War. 4th Amendment destroyers. You live in a National Security State. 30,000 drones are slated to be in the skies of The Homeland in a few years. If you think this is good, you are Good Germans.
Should Be Martin Sheen February 24, 2013 at 07:10 pm
I agree with should be Martin Sheen. We are engaged in illegal wars using drones...and John Brennan AND Obama would not answer recent questions asking if drones would be used to kill US or Non-US citizens. Jim Garrison warned us that Fascism would come to America in the form of National Security. He was right.....
Should Be Martin Sheen February 24, 2013 at 07:10 pm
Yes...I agree with myself :)
Kera Lynn February 24, 2013 at 08:22 pm
We have to put our foot down - No Way these things are going to fly around our community! Let's face it - this is the beginning of the end of Malibu. I won't pay for this and I'm not going to stand for it. KEEP MALIBU DRONE-FREE!!
If you agree, COMMENT NOW! KEEP MALIBU DRONE-FREE!!
Fred February 24, 2013 at 09:25 pm
The Gov is going to do whatever they want regardless of the citizens .
That's just another reason why we hear talk of revolt . Democrat , Republican , it doesn't matter . The corruption and waste starts at the city levels , and goes all the way to the President .
Zuma Skipper February 25, 2013 at 04:48 am
Kera, these drones have an operating altitude of 18,000 to 50,000 feet. You would never see them or hear them in Malibu. That's the point of them. Why do you think the U.S. is so effective in taking out al-Qaeda/Taliban targets around the world. One minute they are walking around with their AK-47's and RPG's and the next second...BOOM. I wouldn't lose sleep over it. Our military has more important things to do than wasting their time spying on the citizenry of Malibu.
Not in My Name February 26, 2013 at 01:33 am
Sure Zuma Skipper.."as long as you are doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about..right?"...Wrong. You are probably ok with all your phone calls being stored..as they are now. You are probably ok with illegal satellite surveillance. You are a denizen of The Homeland..not a Bill of Rights citizen of the United States. Do you think there is a Magic Curtain protecting you from the same folks who caused over 1 Million Iraquis to die..based on lies? Five million Iraquis are orphans tonight as a result of our lies..and we used Depleted Uranium on those poor people so that there will be death and birth defects..forever. And you are just fine with Drones, weapons of war..in The Homeland. Astonishing. Never thought I would live to see this...
Zuma Skipper February 26, 2013 at 04:06 am
And your point is what? Every day our government and many others around the world do things that are morally questionable in the name of self preservation and National Security. A drone is a tool, like a satellite or a camera mounted at an intersection. And believe me, they are already flying over and monitoring our United States and have been for a while. So we sit here at our computer tables and negotiate amongst ourselves as to the right and wrongs of these wars and policing actions. Our current President has kicked drone warfare into high gear. Is the government spying on me, sure they are, but it really doesn't impact the way I go about my daily life because there is nothing you or I can do that is going to change that and besides, I really don't have anything to hide. If the NSA wants to know who I'm talking to, what movies I watch and where I buy my gas, have at it. Is it Big Brother, sure it is, but its here to stay.
Max February 26, 2013 at 02:25 pm
Drones constitute a key component in defending our country and providing security. Things may have been different back in 2001, had the drone fleet been in existence... both in terms of what led up to 9/11 as well as what occurred on 9/11 and since. Perhaps, if you put yourself in the shoes of the ≈3,000 innocent Americans who lost their lives that day (or, their surviving innocent families that, nearly 12 years later, still suffer), your perspective may be different. Unfortunately, we live in a world that is infiltrated with maniacal terrorists and fanatics. If they cared as much for people as you do, the world would be a better place.
Going Galt March 9, 2013 at 08:19 pm
Wow Zuma Skipper you must have just fell off the turnip truck. But I'm sure you'll be one of the first to line up and get on the train when the men in uniforms tell you to...after all it will be "for your own good", and you'll believe it.

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