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LETTER: The Truth About Camping and Wildfires

Preserve Malibu lays out the case against the claim that never in the history of California has legal camping been connected to a wildfire.

As we sit here in February, winter, listening to roaring Santa Ana winds, we in Malibu are reminded once more of the power of wind and that our "fire season" is no longer regulated to merely a few months, the danger is all year round. 

As residents, we’re respectfully asking our city officials to fact-check their statements that they are making to citizens of Malibu. Current claims are being touted that are not backed up by facts, far from it. 

Our City has a responsibility to our residents to speak factually. 

Malibu’s latest “myth” being touted by City Hall, Council, newspapers and now spreading, claims that – never in the history of  California has legal camping been connected to a wildfire. As with most myths, this statement is completely untrue. We don’t need to look back at the entire "history of California", we only need to look back – last year, at even one fire.

Another fact; “illegal” fires can be started in “legal” campgrounds. Nothing precludes a campfire from being started in a campground where campfires are prohibited, as seen below. The exact and valid concern regarding Malibu campgrounds located in canyons. “Illegal” campfires are routinely started in So Cal. that turn into brush fires, Malibu has borne the brunt of that fact as in Corral Canyon with the loss of over 50 homes. Charmlee is in the middle of a major fire corridor with a history of fires, including burning to the ground in the 1930, 1956 and 1978 fires. Many catastrophic brush fires also originate in close proximity to campgrounds. 

Here are just a few recent examples in the state of California alone: 

Wrightwood, CA. : Brush Fire Stopped Short of Ski Resort: Aug. 26, 1991 - Firefighters on Sunday contained a 1,430-acre brush fire that burned to within a mile of a popular ski resort in the San Bernardino National Forest. About 850 firefighters from three agencies established fire lines around the blaze. Officials said the fire started Wednesday with a campfire in the Stockton Flats campground in the upper Lytle Creek Canyon area. It has cost an estimated $1 million to fight, said Bill Cunningham, a dispatcher for the U.S. Forest Service.

Ojai: Camp Log Blamed for Brush Fire: Aug. 4, 1999 - A large smoldering log left in an abandoned campfire ring was blamed for a brush fire that burned for two days and blackened 200 acres of forest land northwest of Ojai, authorities said Tuesday night.  The fire started about 11:40 a.m. Monday at Matilija Campground, a recreation area in Los Padres National, authorities said.

Ventura: Hungry Valley Fire 95 percent Contained: June 23, 2012 - The Hill Fire started at approximately 12:22 at Hungry Valley Campground, located on Ventura County land. Strong Santa Ana winds quickly pushed the fire into the Los Padres National Forest.  A fire that began as a 2-acre blaze quickly spread into a 200-acre fire Saturday because of strong Santa Ana winds, officials said. The fire spread through heavy brush and steep, rugged terrain, making firefighting difficult.

Jamul: Brush fire in Pio Pico Campground: July 16, 2012 – A brush fire is burning in Pio Pico Campground in the Jamul area.  Cal Fire reports there is no threat to structures. Air support is at the scene.  The blaze started about 1:45 p.m. at the Pio Pico Thousand Trails RV Resort and Campgrounds. The cause of the fire was under investigation. It started in light brush on the campground property, said Cal Fire spokesman Michael Mohler.

Ojai: Brush Fire Out of Control North of Ojai: October 22, 1991 - National forest: A brush fire in Los Padres National Forest tripled in size to 2,100 acres by Monday night as it burned out of control high in the rugged Ventura County backcountry 15 miles north of Ojai.  They pinpointed its origin alongside California 33 in Lions Canyon Campground.  Officials said there may have been some damage to campground restrooms.

Ventura County:  Crews Battle 3 Fire in Los Angeles: June 23, 1999 - The season's largest brush fire broke out Tuesday at a campground in Los Padres National Forest near Interstate 5 and had consumed more than 600 acres of forest land by Tuesday night. 

Ranchita: The fire is currently at 15-20 acres: October 27, 2011– A major brush fire has “large potential. The fire was reported at 10:37 a.m. at a campground in Anza-Borrego State Park at Montezuma Valley Road and Wilson Road, approximately eight miles northeast of Julian.

Weaverville: Flat Fire in Trinity County grows to 1,066 acres: July 13, 2012 - The Flat Fire, burning 30 miles west of Weaverville in Trinity County, had charred 1,066 acres of forest and remains 30 percent contained.  The Flat Fire, which started Wednesday at the Hayden Flat campground inside Shasta-Trinity National Forest, has spread north and east along the north side of Highway 299.

Glendora, CA: Crews Keep California Wildfire Away from Cities:  Sept. 3, 2012 - Eight firefighters suffered minor injuries during Angeles National Forest blaze.  The fire is believed to have started at Camp Williams around 2:15 p.m. Sunday afternoon and forced the evacuation of thousands of campers and picnickers it had grown to more than 4,100 acres, or roughly 6 square miles, and was just 5 percent contained.  Officials told CBS News that it was believed campers barbecuing may have sparked the fire, the cause still officially under investigation.

Willows, CA: The Mendocino National Forest is currently engaged in initial attack on the Mill Fire: Jul 7, 2012 - The Mill Fire in the Mendocino National Forest has grown to an approximate 29,000 acres and is believed to be at 20 percent containment.  The fire started near the Mill Valley Campground in Colusa County. 

Lake Tahoe: Blaze Is Traced to Campfire: July 1, 2007 - An unattended campfire in a restricted area was the cause of a devastating wildfire last weekend near Lake Tahoe, federal authorities said Friday.   The wildfire resulted in the loss of about 250 homes and 75 other structures and caused some $150 million in damage.  The fire burned 3,100 acres (12.5 km²), destroyed 242 residences and 67 commercial structures, and damaged 35 other homes. At the peak, there were as many as 2,180 firefighters involved in battling the blaze.  The fire cost $11.7 million to fight. 

Malibu: Corral Canyon blaze destroys homes: Nov. 24, 2007 - Two men were sentenced to a year in Los Angeles County Jail for starting the Corral Canyon fire in 2007, one of the worst to strike Malibu in more than a decade. The five men who, according to authorities, started an illegal late-night campfire in a cave in the Malibu hills,

Stanislause County: Firefighter injured in fire started by campfire: Aug, 13, 2012 - A 650-acre fire that is burning along the Stanislaus River was sparked over the weekend by an out-of-control campfire, officials said Monday. 

Verdi: Abandoned Campfire leads to brush fire near Verdi: Nov. 20, 2012 - Fire investigators say aabandoned campfire led to a brush fire that burned about two acres early Tuesday morning.

Santa Barbara:  Human Caused Wildfire: Nov. 19, 2008 - A brush fire began from a seemingly-extinguished campfire in the hills above Montecito during a Sundowner Wind event. The fire raged throughout the evening consuming 210 homes and charring 1,940 acres.

Kernville, CA: July 21, 2002 - An illegal campfire started the largest and most costly forest fire in the history of the Sequoia National Forest. The McNally Fire burned for 37 days and scorched 150,700 acres. It was twice the size of any fire previously recorded in the area. By September 8th, the fire had cost taxpayers $53,342,000 in fire suppression.

Kern: Wind Driven Wildfires:  June 16, 2012 -Kern County and the Untied States forest Service are currently battling a 200 acres wildfire near Lake Isabella in Kern County known as the Cove fire, the fire is burning near Highway 178 and a populated campground.

Lake Arrowhead: Illegal Campfire Flames Doused: Sept. 6, 2012, - Forest Service firefighters on Sunday afternoon quickly controlled a small fire located just off a dirt road west of Mountains Community Hospital that was caused when embers from an illegal campfire ignited vegetation.

Los Angeles: 650 Firefighters Battle Brushfires: Sept. 2, 1997 -  Hundreds of firefighters Monday battled a Southern California brush fire that has burned about 5,500 acres and forced residents to flee dozens of ranches. The blaze about 60 miles southeast of Los Angeles was started by a campfire Sunday, said a spokesman for the California Department of Forestry. About 650 firefighters, 10 planes and three water-dropping helicopters battled the fire as it moved east.

Temecula: Blaze Started by Campfire Burns 1,100 Acres: Sept. 1, 1997 — A brush fire in southwestern Riverside County burned about 1,100 acres Sunday, forcing residents to evacuate dozens of ranches scattered throughout the area, authorities said.  Sparked by a campfire, the blaze began about 11:20 a.m. near Rancho California.

FROM FEMA:

USA:

Natural caused wildfires in USA  >  121,849 

Human caused wildfires in USA >   717,527

California: 

Natural caused wildfires in California up to 2011 >    12,476  

Human caused wildfires in California up to 2011 >      80,080   

What Ignites Wild Fires?

The leading heat source of intentionally set outdoor fires, by more than five times the second leading source, is heat from open flames, such as campfires, or smoking materials (70 percent).

"On a yearly basis in the United States, typically more than six times the number of wildfires is caused by human means such as campfires and controlled agricultural burns than by natural means."

Nearly 90 percent of wildfires are caused by humans.

Thank you,

Citizens Working to Preserve Malibu

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M Stanley May 21, 2013 at 06:53 pm
Still no official spokesperson for CA State Parks? Not one person that speaks on behalf of theRead More project?? A REAL person who is paid to present facts, who got the contract to do the outreach that was in the budget documentation? Reach Out whoever you are, earn that pay!!!
Sulah cat May 21, 2013 at 06:36 pm
OK. Jamie, here's the deal. The money spent to restore the lagoon came from a pot of bond moneyRead More (voter approved) that was intended to be used ONLY for the maintenance of wetlands here in the state. If that money had not been spent here in Malibu it would have been spent elsewhere in the state on some other wetland. Any other use is a moot point. If you felt you were attacked it was only because you did seem a little obtuse. You first made the hot rod reference. Personally, I'm more into flat sixes than flat heads. Peace and have a good one. Puuuuuuuuuuuuuur.
JamieDixon May 21, 2013 at 04:19 pm
Sulah cat, My posts have demonstrated my belief that the “Malibu Lagoon RestorationRead More Project” is a name that may have been created in order to mislead people into thinking it that the project would be a worthwhile public expense. The idea of restoring the Lagoon isn’t necessarily a bad idea. That being said, I believe the money spent to alter the Lagoon could have been spent in many other ways that would have served the public better. Why do you attack me personally? First, you say I’m not a car guy and then you accuse me being into flat head Fords? Fords, really? Sincerely yours,
Max May 21, 2013 at 10:22 am
Your worst nightmare scenario: I predict that you’d experience brain freeze if you wereRead More having a procedure right here in Malibu at your friendly gastroenterologist’s place just as a smoke alarm went off in his office. You’d be a real quandary, namely, “When, what, where and how to evacuate?” In this case, the Santa Ana winds would blow from inside, as well as outside, the doctor’s office, in which case, both you and the good doc would evacuate pell-mell (or, should I say, pell-smell?). In anticipation of this high-pressure scenario, perhaps it’s in your best interest to hop onto the I-80 and (re) evacuate the 2831.67 miles back East, from whence you came, to avoid this potential sensory overload occurrence. In the meantime, should we get hit with another fire (G-d forbid), our Firefighter heroes, upon entering your home, would exclaim on their megaphone, "OK everyone, if you follow my commands and remain calm, everyone will be safe. Therefore, in accordance with International Red Cross protocol and common-sense guidelines, please make way for Burt, the children, the woman, the elderly and, finally, able-bodied men, to evacuate, in that order!"
David Armstead May 20, 2013 at 01:26 pm
the People of Malibu better wake up! this issue with Paradise Cove is only going to get worse. TheRead More city and Paradise Cove are working on an expansion of the parking there. See the link to a recent meeting at the city that is the beginning of Paradise coves expansion. It is very quiet and no one knows but look at the plan. Currently Paradise Cove does not have the proper Zoning to be doing what they do down there. The city thinks by letting them expand that it will get people off the highway so they are in favor but in reality it only puts more money into the pockets of Paradise Cove and people will still park on PCH and Paradise Cove will continue to sends drunks out onto the road to endanger all of us. Speak up! http://www.malibucity.org/download/index.cfm/fuseaction/download/cid/20457/
webecool May 20, 2013 at 03:26 pm
I ate lunch Friday at the Adamson House lawn and nearly 'chuncked out' with the smell of sewage.Read More Uggggg! It was worse than the biggest sewage spill that Paradise Cove ever had in the 15 years living there. I'm not a scientist like everyone else who has been arguing about this project but I know the smell of 8hit when I smell it. Something is seriously wrong. I am a mechanical engineer and it seems to me that all the scientists and smart designers have not taken into account any fluid dynamics. Water flows in, water flows out....water flows through. How hard is that? It seems to me they have designed what is called turbulence!
steve dunn May 19, 2013 at 04:43 pm
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Jessica E. Davis (Editor) May 17, 2013 at 03:51 pm
Love that you are using the message board to ask this question. Does any one have any ideas?
M Stanley May 16, 2013 at 01:33 pm
Thank you for the information Jessica!
Jessica E. Davis (Editor) May 15, 2013 at 05:54 pm
Also, first make sure you are signed in, and if you can't go to the reset password link here:Read More http://malibu.patch.com/forgot_password.
Max May 15, 2013 at 11:03 am
Dear Phil (re: Burt's column), I can’t quite put my finger on it, but, I sense anRead More Eggs-itential undertone to all this. Does the chicken Egg-ist on behalf of the egg or vice versa? Eggs-perience will reveal the truth. To be complete, I must rehash Camus’ “The Play-egg.” Yet, as I recall, in the Book of Eggs-odous, there wasn’t a single Play-egg, but ten of them… so many, in fact, that it seems to many readers to be literally a Dozen Play-eggs. But, then again, I’m not very religious. In fact, many of my colleagues take me for an Egg-nostic. But, they are such Hard-boiled fanatics, that, in fact, their peers surmise they boarder on Egg-lectic. But, as Burt always says in da ‘hood, “Om-letting them be what they want to be.” We, however, have one on Burt: Rumor has it that he fell of the Vegan and had an egg salad… to which he Eggs-claims, “It was a serving of ‘Egg Beaters,’ you Egg-Heads!!”
Jessica E. Davis (Editor) May 14, 2013 at 10:27 pm
From my family: McCluckens
Susan Tellem May 14, 2013 at 07:35 pm
Call them Nuggets, Fricassee, Kiev, Marsala and Enchilada because that's what chickens end up as onRead More the dinner plate. Just sayin'.
TheDr. May 2, 2013 at 11:26 pm
But autumn in old town around Farmington Rd and Grand River is nice as is the season anywhere inRead More Michigan..I love California and the years I lived there.
J. Flo April 27, 2013 at 02:21 am
May Malibu residents, businesses and our City ALWAYS have the foresight and passion to remember andRead More protect > "Malibu was a place I went to with friends to hang out at the beach. But the last few years, its become a place I often go to by myself as a little escape zone. Whenever I have need to clear by head and level my shoulders, I head out to Malibu for a little mini-vacation. Whenever, like Ishmael, it feels like a damp, drizzly November in my soul, I fire up my 1965 Chevelle Malibu Super Sport and go see the watery part of the world." Amen.
Darcy Miller April 27, 2013 at 12:43 am
I'm from Farmington, MI and I live in Calabasas now, off Mulholland Highway, for the same reason.Read More Beauty all around...
Sulah cat May 16, 2013 at 03:18 pm
MT-------still engaging in blatant hyperbole. Aldo Leopold van de Hoeck is not! Jacques, thanksRead More for the offer but no thanks. You'll just have to do it yourself. It's difficult to respond to a remark that has no sense. Puuuuuuuuuuur
Jacques Mehoff May 3, 2013 at 07:30 pm
I don't know why Sulah Cat would talk about CeCe in such a way, I thought they were friends......
Jessica E. Davis (Editor) May 3, 2013 at 07:24 pm
Thanks all for the love. I think I learned my lesson about taking time off though! It's been a busyRead More week back.
J. Flo April 10, 2013 at 12:51 am
We also use Havahart traps. They are gentle and humane, we can easily transport the little crittersRead More away from our population. We've done this successfully at least 20 times! Shared them with countless Malibu friends who've also successfully and humanely cured their rodent issues.
Maureen Haldeman April 9, 2013 at 02:29 pm
Many complain but do nothing more ... and it is only by action that something gets accomplished. IRead More applaud The Malibu Agricultural Society for persevering on this critical issue and thank the local businesses that removed the rat poison from their shelves. We really can all make a difference. Thank you!
Cece Stein April 9, 2013 at 01:56 pm
Dittos Kian Well said and thanks for your compassion .
J. Flo April 30, 2013 at 02:44 pm
"Although a great many women had entered the men’s room, not a single one emerged."Read More I just choked on my coffee. This might be the funniest thing I've ever read . . .