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Council to Fund Review of Lagoon Project

Project opponents say the money would be better spent on halting the start of the project, which is scheduled to begin in June.

The voted on Monday to spend up to $25,000 on a consultant to review all the information on the Malibu Lagoon project in preparation for voting to take an official council position on the plan. Project opponents said the consultant would be a waste of money, and the council should use the cash to help pay for the appeal of .

The proposal to hire the consultant came from , who denied accusations from Council member and fellow candidate that the proposal was an attempt to help .

Conley Ulich, who is the only council member who has taken, said the council could have called for the study in April when the plan was on the agenda.

"But now, it's almost February, and now all of a sudden you want an independent review," she said. "What happened the last nine months that you changed your mind to want this?"

Sibert responded, "It's not something that happened in the past nine months, it's what's happened in the past month with this whole campaign moving forward with misstatements from both sides, and I want to see it cleared. That's all I'm trying to do. I do not want to make a decision based upon hearsay. I want to make a decision based on fair and verifiable facts. You may be comfortable going ahead with the hearsay. I'm not."

Conley Ulich countered, "You're on the Santa Monica Bay Restoration Commission. They took a position on this. You agreed with it. Now, nine months later because of the campaign, you want to have a scientific study for $25,000."

Sibert angrily came back with, "I resent that statement. You have no evidence to that. All you can do is make an accusation."

Conley Ulich said he had just said his reason was due to the campaign. Sibert said she misunderstood him and he meant "this campaign of the folks who are opposing the lagoon [project]," not the council campaign.

Despite her criticism, Conley Ulich voted along with the other four council members in favor of hiring a consultant.

Jim Thorsen will contact a potential consultant after receiving recommendations from project proponents and opponents on whom to choose. He said he would select somebody supported by both sides. The person will be asked to complete the review within 30 days, allowing the council to have the person's report in time for a public meeting in March at which it can vote on taking a position.

The council heard from several public speakers who oppose the project. Proponents and people involved in the project did not attend the meeting, or at least did not make their presence known if they were there. The opponents said there was not enough time to review the project prior to its scheduled start on June 1. They said the council instead should concentrate on stopping the project from going forward and spending money to support an appeal of the rejected lawsuit against the plan

Activist leader Marcia Hanscom told the council a new environmental impact report is required because information has changed since the original document was completed in 2006. A lawyer for Hanscom's Wetlands Defense Fund wrote a letter about this last month to the California Department of Fish and Game (the letter is attached).

Department spokesman Andrew Hughan wrote in an email to Malibu Patch regarding the letter, "As you know from law enforcement, we can't comment about ongoing investigations or processes, so all I can say for now is that we have received the letter from the law firm and are currently reviewing it."

The opponents became rowdy when criticized statements they had made during the meeting.

"There are things that I'm hearing tonight and I've heard many times that I know are absolutely not true," she said. "And that really concerns me and makes me feel, 'Who do I trust?' If the opponents are saying things that I know are not true and the proponents are saying things I know are not true, then who do you trust?"

She continued, "It's escalated. It's escalated because people are getting desperate, so they're saying things that on some levels are crazier and crazier and more untruthful to me."

Opponent Athena Shlien yelled from the audience demanding Rosenthal give an example. Others shouted various comments and questions. Rosenthal did not respond, and said she had already given them a chance to speak.

The mayor has been criticized for not publicly stating how she feels about the project. Rosenthal was not at the council meeting in April when the plan was reviewed because she was on a pre-planned trip with her son in Washington D.C. The council did not take a position on the project at that meeting because it deadlocked on various 2-2 votes. Following the session, .

Lyon, whose opposition to the lagoon project is one of the major issues of his council campaign (the other being opposition to ), told Rosenthal it is important for her to state her position on the project.

"We should all know if you're going to be at the ribbon-cutting ceremony of the lagoon or if you're going to be with us chained to the bulldozers," Lyon said. "I want to know. Malibu wants to know."

Rosenthal said she would be able to make a decision after the city receives its report from the consultant.

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hellwood May 22, 2013 at 11:19 am
...and more clueless pedestrians to be splattered
Ryan Valley May 22, 2013 at 11:16 am
no, I won't be funding this. If it was further down the coast maybe but NIMBY. :) There is enoughRead More traffic on PCH everyday without an app filling in the last few holes.
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M Stanley May 21, 2013 at 06:53 pm
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Sulah cat May 21, 2013 at 06:36 pm
OK. Jamie, here's the deal. The money spent to restore the lagoon came from a pot of bond moneyRead More (voter approved) that was intended to be used ONLY for the maintenance of wetlands here in the state. If that money had not been spent here in Malibu it would have been spent elsewhere in the state on some other wetland. Any other use is a moot point. If you felt you were attacked it was only because you did seem a little obtuse. You first made the hot rod reference. Personally, I'm more into flat sixes than flat heads. Peace and have a good one. Puuuuuuuuuuuuuur.
JamieDixon May 21, 2013 at 04:19 pm
Sulah cat, My posts have demonstrated my belief that the “Malibu Lagoon RestorationRead More Project” is a name that may have been created in order to mislead people into thinking it that the project would be a worthwhile public expense. The idea of restoring the Lagoon isn’t necessarily a bad idea. That being said, I believe the money spent to alter the Lagoon could have been spent in many other ways that would have served the public better. Why do you attack me personally? First, you say I’m not a car guy and then you accuse me being into flat head Fords? Fords, really? Sincerely yours,
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I ate lunch Friday at the Adamson House lawn and nearly 'chuncked out' with the smell of sewage.Read More Uggggg! It was worse than the biggest sewage spill that Paradise Cove ever had in the 15 years living there. I'm not a scientist like everyone else who has been arguing about this project but I know the smell of 8hit when I smell it. Something is seriously wrong. I am a mechanical engineer and it seems to me that all the scientists and smart designers have not taken into account any fluid dynamics. Water flows in, water flows out....water flows through. How hard is that? It seems to me they have designed what is called turbulence!
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M Stanley May 16, 2013 at 01:33 pm
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Max May 15, 2013 at 11:03 am
Dear Phil (re: Burt's column), I can’t quite put my finger on it, but, I sense anRead More Eggs-itential undertone to all this. Does the chicken Egg-ist on behalf of the egg or vice versa? Eggs-perience will reveal the truth. To be complete, I must rehash Camus’ “The Play-egg.” Yet, as I recall, in the Book of Eggs-odous, there wasn’t a single Play-egg, but ten of them… so many, in fact, that it seems to many readers to be literally a Dozen Play-eggs. But, then again, I’m not very religious. In fact, many of my colleagues take me for an Egg-nostic. But, they are such Hard-boiled fanatics, that, in fact, their peers surmise they boarder on Egg-lectic. But, as Burt always says in da ‘hood, “Om-letting them be what they want to be.” We, however, have one on Burt: Rumor has it that he fell of the Vegan and had an egg salad… to which he Eggs-claims, “It was a serving of ‘Egg Beaters,’ you Egg-Heads!!”
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May Malibu residents, businesses and our City ALWAYS have the foresight and passion to remember andRead More protect > "Malibu was a place I went to with friends to hang out at the beach. But the last few years, its become a place I often go to by myself as a little escape zone. Whenever I have need to clear by head and level my shoulders, I head out to Malibu for a little mini-vacation. Whenever, like Ishmael, it feels like a damp, drizzly November in my soul, I fire up my 1965 Chevelle Malibu Super Sport and go see the watery part of the world." Amen.
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Jacques Mehoff May 3, 2013 at 07:30 pm
I don't know why Sulah Cat would talk about CeCe in such a way, I thought they were friends......
Jessica E. Davis (Editor) May 3, 2013 at 07:24 pm
Thanks all for the love. I think I learned my lesson about taking time off though! It's been a busyRead More week back.
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Maureen Haldeman April 9, 2013 at 02:29 pm
Many complain but do nothing more ... and it is only by action that something gets accomplished. IRead More applaud The Malibu Agricultural Society for persevering on this critical issue and thank the local businesses that removed the rat poison from their shelves. We really can all make a difference. Thank you!
Cece Stein April 9, 2013 at 01:56 pm
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