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Lifeguards: Towing Beached Whale Out to Sea Not an Option

L.A. County Lifeguards are working with other agencies to figure out a plan to remove a beached Fin whale from an exclusive Malibu beach.

A plan is being developed to remove a 40-foot beached whale that is rotting on Little Dume, one of Malibu's most exclusive beaches, according to Los Angeles County Lifeguards.

"It’s not physically capable of being moved because of its condition. It’s so embedded in sand that they won’t be able to get it out. The body will be pulled apart. There’s no way to pull it," Zuma Beach-based Rescue Boat Capt. Kevin Marble said in an interview with Malibu Patch.

The juvenile male Fin whale washed ashore on Monday at Little Dume in Malibu, and a necropsy, the term for an autopsy performed on an animal, took place Tuesday. Researchers determined that the whale had died in the past few days from injuries resulting from a ship strike, according to the California Wildlife Center.

Marble said that several agencies, including California State Parks, the City of Malibu and the county lifeguards, were working together to come up with a plan.

"It looks like it ended up in one of those locations that is so isolated and so difficult to access both from the beach side and from the water side that the solutions are not easy," Marble said.

He said that burial is likely the only option, but that may not be possible because of the rocky nature of the beach. The beach is private, but the whale is located below the mean high tide line, meaning it is on public property.

"If it can be done. It is so rocky. Are you going to be able to dig underground? You can’t tow it with a boat. You can’t tow it with any other vehicle. It has to be exhumed and moved and buried," Marble said.

A spokesman for the California Department of Fish and Game said the agency has not gotten involved.

Even if the whale was in good enough condition to be towed, he said that often causes problems for other beaches.

"When they’ve been viable enough to tow, they end up at somebody else’s doorstep and there is that further complaint," Marble said.

Marble did not give a time estimate on the removal, saying that a plan was working its way through the department.

"It’s unfortunate to be a resident in a location like that," he said.

Craig Sap of California State Parks confirmed that he has been in contact with several agencies about the whale.

"We don’t have a boat. We don’t have the resources to drag it off the beach," Sap said.

He said the best course of action is for the whale to be removed far out to sea.

"That carcass becomes food for some of the sharks and the other animals," Sap said.

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Malibu Magoo December 7, 2012 at 07:14 pm
Um... the beach is open to the public, and thousands of public bodies are in that water every year... More importantly, though, why is someone throwing rotten fish at you? What's that about? If it's an ongoing problem, you must alert someone. Don't stand for it. Good luck.
David Paul Dominguez December 7, 2012 at 08:38 pm
The obvious answer is to make sure the Santa Barbara Museum of Natural History picks up the bill since they came down and desecrated the body and just left the damage to everybody else. It could of been towed out even if beached for a week, however, they dismantled it so much, now it is impossible. They need to be held accountable. It is only right and they have the money, millions of dollars. Besides, this is not Santa Barbara, this is Malibu and there should of been an agreement before hand. This is science?
John December 7, 2012 at 08:45 pm
Let nature take it's course.
hellwood December 7, 2012 at 08:45 pm
we could chain up a few bears next to the carcass?
Stuart McClay Smith December 7, 2012 at 08:57 pm
Ha ha ha! Maybe a drone strike?
John December 7, 2012 at 09:45 pm
That is classic!
Hans Laetz December 7, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Next time this happens, the city/county/state/MRCA/Sea Scouts etc should have a plan to hire Capt. Ahab from Oxnard to tow the thing to Nobu while it is still fresh.
If I were in the homeowners association where this washed up, I'd be checking the insurance policy under "attractive nuisance" and "sharks" and "dismemberment". That's a joke, Mister Commissioner.
jamie p December 7, 2012 at 11:34 pm
BWHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAH...... that beautiful creature and any others that may land between the newely voted M.L.P.A. zone wont be going anywhere! in fact, only ones leagally with the rights to even touch it are "scientist"... all others may be sighted. even the scientist cant relocate it. and seriously, truth is there will be an increase in shark activity... for a while!! send lil johnny in with a go-pro! more of our rights/freedoms have been taken.. dont like the stench, deal with it because most of the clueless voted for it and all the corruption$$ that went along with it. wait to the day when all that data finally gets logged in from the "voluntees" pacing what was once our beaches. more to come for sure. R.I.P. FIN.....
negro December 8, 2012 at 12:19 am
Feed the homeless with it.
Kevin December 8, 2012 at 12:26 am
You may be right. It is in the new Point Dume State marine reserve, so I don't think legally anyone can do anything to it at all. "Restrictions [36710(a) PRC]: it is unlawful to injure, damage, take or possess any living, geological or cultural marine resource, except under a permit or specific authorization from the managing agency for research, restoration or monitoring purposes. While, to the extent feasible, the area shall be open to the public for managed enjoyment and study, the area shall be maintained to the extent practicable in an undisturbed and unpolluted state. Therefore, access and use (such as walking, swimming, boating and diving) may be restricted to protect marine resources"
Scooter December 8, 2012 at 12:52 am
Has anyone seen Rosie O'Donnell lately?
Hans Laetz December 8, 2012 at 01:00 am
So now the local/county/state governmental ineptitude is the lead story on the ABC News web site, courtesy of the AP:
"The decaying corpse of a huge fin whale was a sad spectacle Friday on the shore of a cove where it washed ashore nearly a week earlier. With no government agency taking action to remove the rapidly rotting mammal from Little Dume beach, it appeared that the job would be left to decomposition and nature's scavengers. ..."
Hans Laetz December 8, 2012 at 01:07 am
And this gem of wire service doggrel, in another AP dispatch:
"After a dead whale washed up on a beach in Malibu, Cailf., near Bob Dylan's home it wasn't long before a foul smell was blowin' in the wind and residents were demanding answers." Wire service reporters don't get out very often.
jamie p December 8, 2012 at 01:12 am
Kevin, note those words "access and use (such as walking, swimming, boating and diving) may be restricted to protect marine resources"... which means those restrictions can be enforced. time is ticking and they are counting us joe public surfing disturbing the sea lions while surfing big dume, our dogs disrupting birds and children in the tide pools. think not? i understand good people thought they were saving an area that needed it, but in fact they were duped. Im in the water, under the water 4 times a week and i can tell you that this place was thriving..finally after all the early fights with banning gill netting and improving water quality. heal..steal the bay and bay keeper got their hands into it for one thing..$$$$$$. go look at the pamphlets to the supporters showing the increase in revenue? also take a look at whos dong the science??where on earth were the actual fish counts???lol! go ask any D.F.G. agent what the conditions are at dume right now.. quote" thriving". they take counts, theyre the ones supossed to be setting the limits. counts are sustainable, world records were being set in the present...so what happened.. american greed. sure things will improve in the area now covered by mlpa's but it wasnt the dessert wasteland they told you it was. and now along with loosing our heritage and giving them the rights to revoke our freedom of access to do anything...
jamie p December 8, 2012 at 01:12 am
theres also the increased pressure by pushing the likes of people who live off the earth into other smaller areas.. and those areas will suffer from too much consumption. mess.
jamie p December 8, 2012 at 01:24 am
seems everything comes with a price to pay. why i hate politics! my 2c.. leave the whale to nature. we ended his/her life and so why should we do anymore. sorry you have to deal with the smell. we should all be good stewards, pay attention to what nature needs and limit ourselves.
Kevin December 8, 2012 at 04:31 am
I think you misunderstood the humor I found in the MLPA law and this whale incedentt. I'm a spearfisherman, surfer and fisherman. I used to to a lot of water activities here. I do no in any way support the MLPA of Dume SMR. I am completely against them. i just find it funny these people who block public access and supported the SMR/MLPA are in trouble now that the SMR in affect and it may be illegal to actually touch or move this dead whale.
Nicole December 8, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Wow, you West Coast dwellers are silly...what do you think happened to carcasses before you built your McMansions on THEIR beaches? And isn't your ocean too cold to swim in anyway? ;P
Douglas Helm December 8, 2012 at 03:31 pm
I think you meant to say, "Let nature take its corpse."
Nicole December 8, 2012 at 03:39 pm
"Litigation should an option"
Who will you sue? The WHALE??
Hans Laetz December 8, 2012 at 03:42 pm
The sharks.
David Armstead December 8, 2012 at 09:29 pm
The homeowners of Malibu Riviera #1 have pooled their money to hire a private boat to tow away the whale so it can wash up on someone else's beach. Someone call the MLPA people that is a clear violation of the new marine sanctuary and strictly forbidden. They have to live with the stink it can't be any worse than the septic tanks they drain into to water at the same location. Call steal the bay, or bay keeper they will stop them. Oh wait they are some of those groups biggest donors I guess they can do what they want. What a place Malibu...
jamie p December 8, 2012 at 09:34 pm
being as its a federal offence to remove the animal in a marine sancuary... who gave the authority and why is it being towed out right now?? interesting....
John Mazza December 8, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Malibu Riviera I had nothing to do with getting ride of the whale. The whale was not on the Malibu Riviera I beach. It was in Malibu Riviera II and Malibu Riviera II does not own the beach, The whale was actually on state lands in front of private residences which own only down to the high tide line The removal apparently was done by private citizens and businesses from the Pt. Dume area. It was not Malibu Riviera I.
James Respondek December 8, 2012 at 11:03 pm
For the record... The community from Paradise Cove all the way to Big Dume collectively pitched in to have a professional and respectful boat crew with the proper authorization conduct the removal of the week old dead Fin whale. At last he will be where he is from, far out at sea R.I.P. Thank you to the community. Way to come together and get the job done right.
Malibu Magoo December 9, 2012 at 12:01 am
Especially after every imaginable state and local agency with possible jurisdiction -- real or claimed -- just shrugged and said "ain't our job". Once again, our tax $ at work... BTW, if the Marine Reserve mandate reads "...it is unlawful to injure, damage, take or possess any living, geological or cultural marine resource..." how does a dead, desecrated, decomposing whale fit towed out (waaaaaay out) to sea fit that description? I appreciate the respect the Pt Dume community showed toward that majestic beast before any more scavengers -- human and animal -- could pick at its carcass.
jamie p December 9, 2012 at 12:34 pm
bust out the popcorn.....
jamie p December 9, 2012 at 10:35 pm
From DFG website:
"Disposal of dead marine mammals is considered a 'take' under the federal Marine Mammal Protection Act, and must be reported to NMFS. Additionally, it is unlawful to take or possess parts of dead marine mammals without prior authorization from National Marine Fisheries Service." obviously some people have the resorces to get what they want. sure wish i could fund my own "take" privelige back! I think a marine reserve that is protected to such a degree that they ask people not to beach kayaks., because it'll kill sand crabs, ought to then accept mother natures bounty of nutrients from dead whales regardless of how unpleasant that may be. After all these MPAs were argued to be "nurseries". A natural gift of so much nutrients in one location is rare for the local marine community and any sharks it may attract is just part of the circle of life therein. like in the old days chumash would gather bones as tools and decoration.. some other parts probably used for other porposes. people and children learned from the viewing and all would pay great respect. what i saw was not much different in the past week.. there was more talk over the excitement than the burden. i saw people from out of town and local families walking down two or three times just to see the progress. so who are the ones that selfishly decided that their consuption was enough and made the decision to terminate what was most natural and respected?
jamie p December 9, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Luhui Waiya "As a community it might be a good idea to think together rather than apart. In this modern world, we are often pushed to think as individuals rather than the collective. We end up thinking what is best for me rather than what is best for the whole," she said.
Jonsie December 11, 2012 at 09:08 pm
The approval to remove the whale doesn't have anything to do with the MLPA. NMFS is the one who has to approve it. Mr. Respondek contacted a tow company in Ventura. The tow boat Captain contacted the proper authorities (NMFS) and got permission to remove the whale and was given the proper coordinates for the whales final resting place. All entities that harvested anything from the whale (except the Santa Barbara County History Museum who also had permission) will be contacted, as what they did was illegal. I thank Mr. Respondek and the other neighbors for doing what was most dignified for the whale. A plan is in the process of being put together, so what transpired with this whale, will not happen again. It would've also been helpful if the LA County Lifeguards offer to tow the whale in the very beginning was accepted instead of refused. The whale would've been necropsied and towed and none of the other aftermath would've occurred.
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