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Start of Malibu Lagoon Project Pushed to Next Week

The overhaul of the Malibu Lagoon is permitted to begin Friday, but will likely not start until early next week.

A group of more than 50 protesters holding signs rallied against the Malibu Lagoon project on the same day the work is permitted to begin.

The project, which is led by California State Parks, could begin as early as Monday, but it will take some time for the bulldozers, which are needed to remove sediment from the lagoon, to be brought in, according to officials.

State Parks District Superintendent Craig Sap said the start of the project was delayed because of the 12th annual Pat Notaro Day charity event at the request of Malibu City Councilman Skylar Peak, who represented the wish of others in the community.

Peak said in an interview with Malibu Patch that the meeting took place in mid-May.

"I told them, 'I think it’s in the best interest of the kids if they were to postpone it," Peak said.

Sap said the postponement of the start of the project has nothing to do with concerns raised by opponents about the dewatering plan. 

"We’re not hiding anything," Sap said. " ... We want to make sure their rights are respected. The dewatering is not being changed because of the protest."

He said that the conditions of the lagoon are factored into the dewatering plan, and that those additions to the plan are part of the process. He added that it is being peer-reviewed by an independent engineer.

Sap added once the dewatering plan is completed, it will be released to the public.

The contractor, Ford E.C. Inc., met on site about 10 a.m. to discuss the plans for the project, but some protesters, including Andy Lyon and Cindy Vandor, began peppering them with questions.

One of the men, who said he was with Ford E.C., but refused to give his name, said he felt he was being harassed.

Five Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies and two State Parks rangers that were patrolling the parking lot and surrounding area came over, and the contractors left.

"We're here to keep the peace," said State Parks Ranger Darrell Readyhoff.

Lyon said he was not harassing the contractors.

"We just asked who are you and what are you doing? It's a public process," Lyon said. He also said he still has concerns about the dewatering plan.

"They keep saying this was so transparent but here at the last minute they are making changes to the plan without letting anybody know. It’s so sketchy," Lyon said.

Out on Pacific Coast Highway, the protesters, mostly Malibu surfers and activists, waved signs that read "Bully Dozers" and "Save Our Lagoon," at the parking lot.

Steve Woods and several others with the Surfrider Foundation set up a booth in support of the project.

Malibu Mayor Laura Zahn Rosenthal said she did not stop by the protest because she was calling state officials and meeting with local law enforcement.

"I feel that my role is to work by talking to different governmental agencies," Rosenthal said.

is set for 2 p.m. Sunday, June 3 at the Malibu Lagoon State Beach, according to organizers. Protesters plan to meet up on the ocean side of Cross Creek Road and Pacific Coast Highway.

Proponents say the plan, which could last months, will include the draining of 12 acres of the wetland as part of an effort to clean out the lagoon's channels and increase oxygen circulation.

Opponents believe the project will do more harm than good. They object to the use of bulldozers, the removal of the bridges and other features.

Last week, the 1st District Court of Appeal ruled that the project .

On Tuesday, the Malibu City Council discussed last-minute options on how to delay the start of the project. Malibu City Manager Jim Thorsen said State Parks decided to switch up its "dewatering plan," a term used to describe the process of draining the water out of the lagoon, after hearing comments from the city.

Thorsen said he met with Sap on Friday morning, and that the city is awaiting the plan.

"We’d love to have that information so we can take a look at it," Thorsen said.

The council voted to in its current form earlier this year and filed an amicus brief in the appeal of a lawsuit seeking the revocation of a California Coastal Commission permit issued for the project.

Tommy Nefcy June 02, 2012 at 04:33 PM
OK, I'll give you that, no conviction, sorry my bad, but you did have to do community service to make it go away. And I actually had to approve letter, as a board member, and wasn't there some urgency to that letter? I forget... not important but I could look on facebook, nothing every goes away on the web... But the breach opening you cut was a solid 200 yards away from the 1st point lifeguard tower and there was no breach prior to that. I have pics from 10/6/2010 and 10/7/2010 that clearly shows no opening near the Adamson House. I also have photos from the last breach, they cover several months of the breach moving down the point from 3rd to the front of the Adamson House. So, again, which is it now, Andy, putrid scummy Malibu Lagoon or pristine habitat Malibu Lagoon? I get confused... You have been arguing pristine habitat Malibu Lagoon for 18 months, is it now a putrid scummy Lagoon? Please take a side and stick to it. And remember the snowy plovers you used to scream at me about... And, yes, Andy the MSA still supports this project and others coming down the pipe. The MSA has been at the table on this for the past 10 years on this, unlike you people who do nothing but wake up one day notice there is this big project coming and do nothing but scream the sky is falling. It may suprise you how much you can accomplish by working with people rather than screaming at them and having it posted on youtube. Trust me, that kind of stuff really looks bad...
Ben Marcus June 02, 2012 at 04:42 PM
Kids The breech at Malibu has always naturally migrated to the east, and dumped out at First Point. Even if it's artificially breeched, if you watch it over a couple of weeks, or a season, that breech point always ends up down at First Point. Well maybe not always, but there are photos of Malibu Creek running past the Adamson House and depositing east, toward the Malibu Pier, going back to the early 1900s. Why does the breech point migrate east, no matter where it starts? Does it have to do with the shape of the lagoon and the flow of the creek? Or does it have to do with wind, swell, current and ocean forces acting on the sandbar? Someone else can answer that, but Malibu Creek dumping into First Point is not a recent phenomenon, and not a result of the 1983 "Restoration." It just wants to head east.
Andy Lyon June 02, 2012 at 04:51 PM
Nefcy...why don't you ask Pheifer ...he was on duty that day and had to call beaches and harbors to have the lifeguard tower moved because the creek was starting to flow behind it down to the bathrooms. If I hadn't of gone up and cut the creek the tower would have been lost. So you have been at the table on this project for 10 years and you think that they will empty the lagoon over a weekend ? What table were you at ???
Tommy Nefcy June 02, 2012 at 05:05 PM
As I have no actual clue, Andy, I will venture a guess: YES!!! The purpose of removing the toxic sediments is to remove the toxic sediments before the damn removal debrie arrives!!! HURAAAAYYY ANDY GETS IT!!!! (insert fireworks and marching band here) Don't Love Canal this by simply covering it over with another layer of debrie where it can then bubble to the surface over time, exposing generations. Remove it, then when the rubble from behind the damn comes down it will be not be contributing to a serious problem but enhancing the creek and the beach in a natural way. But I got no clue on this, Andy ... whatever, all you are going to do is scream you are the only one who knows... You are my hero, Andy, I wish I knew it all like you do...
Ben Marcus June 02, 2012 at 05:17 PM
Remember, all that sediment behind the dam has had Tapia water and upstream water flowing through it for decades, so who's to say the trapped sediment behind the dam isn't toxic too? That's a possible solution to two problems: completely dredge out Malibu Lagoon and then replace that sediment with sediment dredged down from behind Rindge Dam. But how clean is the sediment behind Rindge Dam? From what I have seen and smelled, the water coming out of Tapia is two parts water to one part chlorine, so maybe that sediment has been bleached clean over the years? Who knows. I doubt anything will ever happen with Rindge Dam, although similar things are happenign with Elwha Dam in Washington State, and Matilija Dam. But I think both of those dams have streams that actually flow going through them,
Jo Cherkas June 02, 2012 at 06:39 PM
LoL...oh Louise...I realize that's what they do. But it looked like they were preparing for Armageddon. ;) Love, Jo Mama
Jo Cherkas June 02, 2012 at 06:42 PM
Hi Susan. Total waste, indeed. I was dropping off a library book and was stunned by what I saw. That mobile command station was ridiculous. I'm surprised that they didn't have a helicopter in the parking lot, either.
Malibu Native June 02, 2012 at 07:39 PM
Go American Tortoise Rescue!
Trout Rule June 02, 2012 at 08:52 PM
Susan, Please accept my apology. I will send a donation to your organization as penitence for my misleading remark. As long as you're not releasing these animals into the wild, I'm happy to contribute to the cause. Maybe, instead of calling us morons, you should work with us and petition DFG to have these animals placed on the Restricted Species List?
realmalibu411 June 02, 2012 at 10:10 PM
Project planners have informed us that the dewatering contractor and plan is the exact same as the one today at 108 Colony Road. The dewatering will be the exact same as the 108 Colony Road procedure, except on a much larger scale. The details in how exactly water will be moved from pool to pool is quite involved I'm told, and has specific guidelines given for all different types of scenarios they could run into...such as high tides, big swell, rain, etc. Each drop of water must be treated, and each possible scenario is being considered by State Parks at this time. But the key is that the dewatering process is the exact same at 108 Colony Road...go see it yourself. The permit has already been granted, and you can read it under "Malibu Lagoon Information" on www.therealmalibu411.com
realmalibu411 June 02, 2012 at 10:13 PM
Here it is: http://www.therealmalibu411.com/hearingtranscript.pdf
realmalibu411 June 02, 2012 at 10:51 PM
Rindge Dam removal is down the line in quite some time, but we support its removal. We predict yet another on of Macria Hanscoms Wetlands Defense Funds lawsuits in response to Rindge Dam...what a surpise; she's gotta pay the bills right?
Susan Tellem June 02, 2012 at 11:26 PM
Trout rule - apology accepted. We are way ahead of you but as soon as we try to do that the pet stores and breeders go nuts and the Asian legislators cry "racist!" Much has been written about our activities in this arena but any help is appreciated starting with the councilman for the Santee Alley district who refuses to post the new signs that say buying and selling animals (baby turtles) on Santee street is illegal because those are his peeps buying and selling. It's a losing battle when it comes down to constituents. You might want to read this which I presented last year to deaf ears at F&G http://www.slideshare.net/tellem/american-tortoise-rescue-the-clock-is-ticking
realmalibu411 June 02, 2012 at 11:30 PM
The dewatering contractor at this time has to provide how they're going to move water around the site and how they will move water into the filtration system given the specific conditions that will be at the lagoon when the dewatering begins. This includes rain, whether the berm is open or closed, swell, tides, etc. . It is required by the permit for the SMBRC (Santa Monica Bay Restoration Comission), that the contractor submit these specifics to them so they can then can in turn, certify how it will meet the water quality requirements. This must take place late in the game so it reflects the exact water levels, flows from creek, open or closed berm , etc. , and will ensure it will work perfectly at the time of dewatering given the specific condtions the creek will have at the time of the job. SMWRC requires that just before it takes place, the contractor to submit exactly how they will move all this water around so that it is assured it will work at the time it is all put into place. Hope this clarifies things..
Candace Brown June 03, 2012 at 12:54 AM
Brian, Thanks so much for your reply. You may be aware that I often speak and share information about the Rindge Dam and other important local topics with a very intelligent and informed man. Of course, I am as aware as one can be with what's going on in Malibu! Just "gotta" have some fun once in a while...
Marcia Hanscom June 03, 2012 at 05:14 AM
Trout Rule = Matt Horns - previously banned from this listserve - and we were told banned NATIONWIDE on all Patch sites. When another banned poster was discovered to be posting under another name when Jonathan Friedman was Editor, that name was also banned. Jessica, I hope you will check this out before the Trout begins dissing Malibu celebrities again. (in some pretty vulgar ways, as I recall too)
Marcia Hanscom June 03, 2012 at 05:19 AM
Oh no! Not the Coastal Conservancy! They are the ones who started (and continue!) all of the problems with going down a misguided road on the Lagoon project.
Trout Rule June 03, 2012 at 05:33 AM
Wow Marcia, I guess you're bitter and angry now that the Coastal Conservancy (Wetlands Recovery) has turned off the cash spigot for your organizations. Your weren't complaining when YOU were getting grant money from them!
Trout Rule June 03, 2012 at 05:40 AM
What's the matter Marcia? Can't stand the TRUTH? I'm not Matt, and as far as I know I haven't said anything "vulgar" I think you're having a bad reaction to the truth! You can't stand it when someone calls you out for the lies you continue to spread can you? I guess you want a NATIONWIDE ban on everyone who disagrees with you, right?
Trout Rule June 03, 2012 at 06:00 AM
One more thing Marcia, Since you're so interested in the "truth", are you going to recommend that Alessandra DeClario be banned NATIONWIDE for being a plagiarizer?
Just_Trolling June 03, 2012 at 10:48 AM
My goodness!! I have to say first off, I am not a Malibu resident, however, I do live close enough to have the pleasure of enjoying the beauty of it. Second, I have not followed this issue, just started reading about it, and intend to read much more. What I can say, from an outsider looking in, some of you people who are representing each side are acting like 6 year olds on a playground. You're attacking each other and name calling instead of stating the facts of the case and trying to resolve the situation in the best way for all involved. I find it very sad that any city, county, tribal, or other organization's "leaders" would act out like this in public forums. You people should be ashamed of yourselves.
Marshall Thompson June 03, 2012 at 03:12 PM
"You people" AKA Just_Trolling snarking behind a phony name should mind your own business. Talk about childish! And you are lobbing BS at 3:48 AM on A Sunday. Get a life, troll!
Just_Trolling June 04, 2012 at 05:16 AM
My Dearest Marshall..I don't know who you THINK I am, but I assure you I have no association with any of the involved groups. If you took the time to read my post, I said that I had only recently become aware of it and intended to do some more reading to educate myself a little bit more on the situation. I'm not snarking behind a phony name, I just chose the name because that's what I was doing...trolling the comments. I would like to know what exactly I said that is "bs?" Can you disagree with me that these two sides aren't slinging mud at each other in a public forum? I didn't point fingers at any one individual, I was saying that collectively, based on what I have read thus far, it didn't seem to me like the two sides were even remotely trying to work together to accomplish a common goal. As far as the time of my post, you have no idea what I do, what hours I work, or why I might be on the computer at 3:48 a.m. Your comment was at 8:13 a.m., what did you do, get up this morning after someone pissed in your cheerios and immediately start rambling off to attack people? If you bothered to attempt to find anything out about me before being an ass, perhaps you wouldn't be so quick to judge. However, after reading some of your other comments, it's very obvious to me that you are very judgmental with anyone who doesn't agree with you. I have a "real" e-mail address associated with my screen name, so do go around busting everyone's chops.
Just_Trolling June 04, 2012 at 05:21 AM
Continuing on to Marshall...it's people like you who are so quick to attack people that make this situation almost impossible to resolve amicably. I happen to be interested in doing what's best for the environment, not lining the pockets of government officials and their lackeys. Perhaps a little attitude adjustment on your part would be beneficial for all involved. You're exactly the type of person I was making a point about, you're making judgments based on no facts what so ever as far as me as a person goes. Maybe you should have asked me for clarification before getting all up in to my business and you would have found out things about me that would have surprised you, instead of jumping to conclusions and being a rude douche bag.
Jo Cherkas June 04, 2012 at 06:21 AM
I have to agree with Just_Trolling on this one, Marshall. I'm just sayin. No offense but I felt your comments were pretty harsh and rude. It was such a slam.
Marshall Thompson June 04, 2012 at 04:15 PM
And YOU are who, exactly? You make my point, uh, "Jo Mama."
Jo Cherkas June 04, 2012 at 04:50 PM
Hello, Marshall, My name is Jo Cherkas. That's who. I'm not hiding behind a name. I just like using Jo Mama as my Internet user name. I didn't realize that it's against the rules to use my nickname as a user name. I wasn't trying to be rude or snarky. I was just giving an opinion. Geesh. Sometimes I'm sorry I even make a comment around this place. Have a nice day, y'all. - Jo Mama
John June 04, 2012 at 06:33 PM
Marshal thinks nobody should be allowed to use an alias because he wasn't smart to think of it himself.
Just_Trolling June 05, 2012 at 06:35 AM
Nicely done Jo...name is Laura, nice to meet you. :0)
M Stanley June 15, 2012 at 06:20 AM
Susan, did you receive a donation check signed by one "Trout Rule" yet? I'd love to see a copy of that, but I do hope that "Trout Rule" makes good on his promise to send a donation as he claims in this reply. Trout Rule - did you complete your penance or is the fact that you misspelled the word allow you to skate through it all?

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