.
Feedback

Blog | What Are Your Chances of Seeing a Mountain Lion?

A discussion of what your real chances are of actually getting close enough to a mountain lion, to smell one in the Santa Monica Mountains.

Do you have to drive PCH into the city each day? Maybe you have to be there by 8:00. What are the chances that the light at Topanga will be messed up again and you’ll be an hour late? Over the course of all your trips into town, how many times is the traffic backed up? If it’s 30 times out of 300 trips a year, your chances of being late are 1 in 10. I wish my chances of winning the lottery were 1 in 10, I’d buy a lot of tickets and probably could move to the beach right away.

The other day my wife and I were having a lovely lunch at Plate restaurant. I suddenly looked up to find four cars in a horrible collision right in front of PC Greens. Four highway patrol cars, two ambulances, three fire engines and two wreckers worked on the problem for an hour. They took one victim away strapped to a board trying to prevent injury due to transportation. What are your chances of seeing an accident on PCH this month? How about a different question, what are your chances of being in one? Ask the CHP, the Fire Department and the Malibu ambulance services. I’d like to know what fraction of the ambulance services annual income is accident rescue. Enter “ Car Accidents”  in the Patch search box, you’ll find several pages. If you see 30 accidents a year, not traffic tie-ups, your chances are still 1 in 10 of seeing one today. Did you see the Ferrari that was ripped in half? Ask the California Highway Patrol how many accidents there are each week. It’s scary.

I have been hiking the Santa Monica Mountains for 40 years, covering hundreds of miles repeating trails like Bull Dog in Malibu Creek State park and Sycamore Canyon in Pt. Mugu. As a photographer for Patch, I would love to get a video or even a still shot of a mountain lion up some remote canyon my friends and I were hiking in. I carry a camera hoping for a decent shot.  Photographers don’t get paid for imaginative rumors of what might happen someday, they have to actually deliver clear pictures.  There are a lot of other cameras on cell phones in the pockets of hundreds of thousands of other visitors in the Santa Monica Mountains ever year. None of us seems to be very lucky. What are the chances of someone getting a picture?  Imagine I got paid what photographers get paid for a front page picture on the New York Times. Do you think I should invest $10,000 in a good camera with a big telephoto lens before the lion picture or after? Some London paparazzi was paid over $100,000 for a picture of Kate before she was married. I could come out $90,000 ahead.  IF I got that picture.

I did get lucky about a year ago. I was hiking with Johanna Turner, a wildlife photographer, near Peter Strauss Ranch, helping her place a motion activated video camera in a very remote canyon known to be frequented by lions.  What she does is place the camera and then wait several weeks, hoping for some footage. Mostly she gets deer. I was overjoyed to get a photo of a lion footprint and a scrape in the creek bottom before we left. It was the first ones I had ever seen. As far as I know, she did not get any lion pictures when she collected the camera. She told me she got a squirrel actually. She has gotten lucky on other occasions in the same canyon.  Another person I know trying to get pictures of lions is Michael Harris, a documentary film maker who is in the final editing phase of a film he is doing about lions. He waited for weeks in a hotel in Calabasas for Jeff Sikich, the National Park Ranger/Biologist who is the main mountain Lion trapper for the NPS, to let him know to come running after they had trapped one. Jeff is a world-class alpha-predator tracker who captures big cats in places like Sumatra. Michael had quite an off-trail trek to get footage of the lion and of the team at work. The film will be released here in the Santa Monica Mountains about the same time I publish my new book on Mountain Lions for the NPS. He loves to stay out late at night in the mountains with an infra-red camera , hoping for a shot, waiting right where he figures the lions are. Amazingly he’s never been attacked by a lion, just some Poison Oak when he fell in the dark.

So my point is that you can calculate for yourself what your chances are of seeing a lion, or far more significantly, what your chances of being close enough to hear one breath.  That’s what Michael was hoping for, it’s what sells.  A lot of people actually believe their chances of being attacked by a lion are very good but in fact have no idea what they are talking about. They are obsessed with their fear of lions and usually are good at transmitting their fears to others through lurid tales of vicious attacks that have never happened here. To find your chances, what you do is find out how many times anyone has ever been attacked  in the Santa Monica Mountains by a lion and divide it by the number of people visiting times the number of visits. You probably should multiply by the number of miles hiked as well or at least the number of hours in the back country. The longer you stay in the back country, like Michael and I do, the greater your chances of an encounter.

Here is a list of every lion attack in California.

After 35 years in the local mountains, the closest I ever got to smelling one was in Sycamore Canyon after the rain. My friend Jill and I both smelled wet hair and, although I didn’t tell her, I saw something moving the high grass next to the creek we were about to cross. It probably was someone’s dog going for a drink. Incidentally NO ONE has ever been attacked here in the Santa Monica Mountains. People I have talked to have seen them occasionally, but I’ve never heard of an attack. So to return to your chances, when you divide zero by any number you still have zero chances. Lion attacks here are a myth perpetuated by hysterical people who are terrified of wild animals and things like Statistics and Algebra. Take a look at the following link about attacks and fatalities in all of North America including Canada and Mexico. And don’t make up convenient, self-serving stories about people who fake data. Unless you want to confess.

In my next article for Patch, I’ll tell you what to do if you are lucky enough to see one and what I and my friends carry with me when we hike. I read an article this week about a mountain biker in the Santa Barbara Mountains who saw one recently, before it saw him in the wilderness in June. The second it saw him, it disappeared, like a ghost cat. He tried to catch another glimpse but it ran away from him.

Newsletter & Alerts

Get the best stories each day and important breaking news

Subscribe

Not from Malibu Patch? Find your Local Patch »

Loading comments ...
Note Article
Just a short thought to get the word out quickly about anything in your neighborhood.
Share something with your neighbors. Write a new post... What's up? Make an announcement, speak your mind, or sell something
No More Secrets Beach App
Kelly May 22, 2013 at 08:06 am
If 'tourists' are sitting above the mean high tide in front of your house, you're well within yourRead More rights to call the local sheriff and have them cited if they don't move. Beaches are public in that the public is allowed to walk below the mean high tide line but once they bring in chairs and gear and set up camp above that, they ARE in violation of private property and can be issued citations. THAT is the law.
M Stanley May 21, 2013 at 06:53 pm
Still no official spokesperson for CA State Parks? Not one person that speaks on behalf of theRead More project?? A REAL person who is paid to present facts, who got the contract to do the outreach that was in the budget documentation? Reach Out whoever you are, earn that pay!!!
Sulah cat May 21, 2013 at 06:36 pm
OK. Jamie, here's the deal. The money spent to restore the lagoon came from a pot of bond moneyRead More (voter approved) that was intended to be used ONLY for the maintenance of wetlands here in the state. If that money had not been spent here in Malibu it would have been spent elsewhere in the state on some other wetland. Any other use is a moot point. If you felt you were attacked it was only because you did seem a little obtuse. You first made the hot rod reference. Personally, I'm more into flat sixes than flat heads. Peace and have a good one. Puuuuuuuuuuuuuur.
JamieDixon May 21, 2013 at 04:19 pm
Sulah cat, My posts have demonstrated my belief that the “Malibu Lagoon RestorationRead More Project” is a name that may have been created in order to mislead people into thinking it that the project would be a worthwhile public expense. The idea of restoring the Lagoon isn’t necessarily a bad idea. That being said, I believe the money spent to alter the Lagoon could have been spent in many other ways that would have served the public better. Why do you attack me personally? First, you say I’m not a car guy and then you accuse me being into flat head Fords? Fords, really? Sincerely yours,
Max May 21, 2013 at 10:22 am
Your worst nightmare scenario: I predict that you’d experience brain freeze if you wereRead More having a procedure right here in Malibu at your friendly gastroenterologist’s place just as a smoke alarm went off in his office. You’d be a real quandary, namely, “When, what, where and how to evacuate?” In this case, the Santa Ana winds would blow from inside, as well as outside, the doctor’s office, in which case, both you and the good doc would evacuate pell-mell (or, should I say, pell-smell?). In anticipation of this high-pressure scenario, perhaps it’s in your best interest to hop onto the I-80 and (re) evacuate the 2831.67 miles back East, from whence you came, to avoid this potential sensory overload occurrence. In the meantime, should we get hit with another fire (G-d forbid), our Firefighter heroes, upon entering your home, would exclaim on their megaphone, "OK everyone, if you follow my commands and remain calm, everyone will be safe. Therefore, in accordance with International Red Cross protocol and common-sense guidelines, please make way for Burt, the children, the woman, the elderly and, finally, able-bodied men, to evacuate, in that order!"
David Armstead May 20, 2013 at 01:26 pm
the People of Malibu better wake up! this issue with Paradise Cove is only going to get worse. TheRead More city and Paradise Cove are working on an expansion of the parking there. See the link to a recent meeting at the city that is the beginning of Paradise coves expansion. It is very quiet and no one knows but look at the plan. Currently Paradise Cove does not have the proper Zoning to be doing what they do down there. The city thinks by letting them expand that it will get people off the highway so they are in favor but in reality it only puts more money into the pockets of Paradise Cove and people will still park on PCH and Paradise Cove will continue to sends drunks out onto the road to endanger all of us. Speak up! http://www.malibucity.org/download/index.cfm/fuseaction/download/cid/20457/
webecool May 20, 2013 at 03:26 pm
I ate lunch Friday at the Adamson House lawn and nearly 'chuncked out' with the smell of sewage.Read More Uggggg! It was worse than the biggest sewage spill that Paradise Cove ever had in the 15 years living there. I'm not a scientist like everyone else who has been arguing about this project but I know the smell of 8hit when I smell it. Something is seriously wrong. I am a mechanical engineer and it seems to me that all the scientists and smart designers have not taken into account any fluid dynamics. Water flows in, water flows out....water flows through. How hard is that? It seems to me they have designed what is called turbulence!
steve dunn May 19, 2013 at 04:43 pm
All I get on this blog is an ad for verizon
Jessica E. Davis (Editor) May 17, 2013 at 03:51 pm
Love that you are using the message board to ask this question. Does any one have any ideas?
M Stanley May 16, 2013 at 01:33 pm
Thank you for the information Jessica!
Jessica E. Davis (Editor) May 15, 2013 at 05:54 pm
Also, first make sure you are signed in, and if you can't go to the reset password link here:Read More http://malibu.patch.com/forgot_password.
Max May 15, 2013 at 11:03 am
Dear Phil (re: Burt's column), I can’t quite put my finger on it, but, I sense anRead More Eggs-itential undertone to all this. Does the chicken Egg-ist on behalf of the egg or vice versa? Eggs-perience will reveal the truth. To be complete, I must rehash Camus’ “The Play-egg.” Yet, as I recall, in the Book of Eggs-odous, there wasn’t a single Play-egg, but ten of them… so many, in fact, that it seems to many readers to be literally a Dozen Play-eggs. But, then again, I’m not very religious. In fact, many of my colleagues take me for an Egg-nostic. But, they are such Hard-boiled fanatics, that, in fact, their peers surmise they boarder on Egg-lectic. But, as Burt always says in da ‘hood, “Om-letting them be what they want to be.” We, however, have one on Burt: Rumor has it that he fell of the Vegan and had an egg salad… to which he Eggs-claims, “It was a serving of ‘Egg Beaters,’ you Egg-Heads!!”
Jessica E. Davis (Editor) May 14, 2013 at 10:27 pm
From my family: McCluckens
Susan Tellem May 14, 2013 at 07:35 pm
Call them Nuggets, Fricassee, Kiev, Marsala and Enchilada because that's what chickens end up as onRead More the dinner plate. Just sayin'.
TheDr. May 2, 2013 at 11:26 pm
But autumn in old town around Farmington Rd and Grand River is nice as is the season anywhere inRead More Michigan..I love California and the years I lived there.
J. Flo April 27, 2013 at 02:21 am
May Malibu residents, businesses and our City ALWAYS have the foresight and passion to remember andRead More protect > "Malibu was a place I went to with friends to hang out at the beach. But the last few years, its become a place I often go to by myself as a little escape zone. Whenever I have need to clear by head and level my shoulders, I head out to Malibu for a little mini-vacation. Whenever, like Ishmael, it feels like a damp, drizzly November in my soul, I fire up my 1965 Chevelle Malibu Super Sport and go see the watery part of the world." Amen.
Darcy Miller April 27, 2013 at 12:43 am
I'm from Farmington, MI and I live in Calabasas now, off Mulholland Highway, for the same reason.Read More Beauty all around...
Sulah cat May 16, 2013 at 03:18 pm
MT-------still engaging in blatant hyperbole. Aldo Leopold van de Hoeck is not! Jacques, thanksRead More for the offer but no thanks. You'll just have to do it yourself. It's difficult to respond to a remark that has no sense. Puuuuuuuuuuur
Jacques Mehoff May 3, 2013 at 07:30 pm
I don't know why Sulah Cat would talk about CeCe in such a way, I thought they were friends......
Jessica E. Davis (Editor) May 3, 2013 at 07:24 pm
Thanks all for the love. I think I learned my lesson about taking time off though! It's been a busyRead More week back.
J. Flo April 10, 2013 at 12:51 am
We also use Havahart traps. They are gentle and humane, we can easily transport the little crittersRead More away from our population. We've done this successfully at least 20 times! Shared them with countless Malibu friends who've also successfully and humanely cured their rodent issues.
Maureen Haldeman April 9, 2013 at 02:29 pm
Many complain but do nothing more ... and it is only by action that something gets accomplished. IRead More applaud The Malibu Agricultural Society for persevering on this critical issue and thank the local businesses that removed the rat poison from their shelves. We really can all make a difference. Thank you!
Cece Stein April 9, 2013 at 01:56 pm
Dittos Kian Well said and thanks for your compassion .