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Blog | What Are Your Chances of Seeing a Mountain Lion?

A discussion of what your real chances are of actually getting close enough to a mountain lion, to smell one in the Santa Monica Mountains.

Do you have to drive PCH into the city each day? Maybe you have to be there by 8:00. What are the chances that the light at Topanga will be messed up again and you’ll be an hour late? Over the course of all your trips into town, how many times is the traffic backed up? If it’s 30 times out of 300 trips a year, your chances of being late are 1 in 10. I wish my chances of winning the lottery were 1 in 10, I’d buy a lot of tickets and probably could move to the beach right away.

The other day my wife and I were having a lovely lunch at Plate restaurant. I suddenly looked up to find four cars in a horrible collision right in front of PC Greens. Four highway patrol cars, two ambulances, three fire engines and two wreckers worked on the problem for an hour. They took one victim away strapped to a board trying to prevent injury due to transportation. What are your chances of seeing an accident on PCH this month? How about a different question, what are your chances of being in one? Ask the CHP, the Fire Department and the Malibu ambulance services. I’d like to know what fraction of the ambulance services annual income is accident rescue. Enter “ Car Accidents”  in the Patch search box, you’ll find several pages. If you see 30 accidents a year, not traffic tie-ups, your chances are still 1 in 10 of seeing one today. Did you see the Ferrari that was ripped in half? Ask the California Highway Patrol how many accidents there are each week. It’s scary.

I have been hiking the Santa Monica Mountains for 40 years, covering hundreds of miles repeating trails like Bull Dog in Malibu Creek State park and Sycamore Canyon in Pt. Mugu. As a photographer for Patch, I would love to get a video or even a still shot of a mountain lion up some remote canyon my friends and I were hiking in. I carry a camera hoping for a decent shot.  Photographers don’t get paid for imaginative rumors of what might happen someday, they have to actually deliver clear pictures.  There are a lot of other cameras on cell phones in the pockets of hundreds of thousands of other visitors in the Santa Monica Mountains ever year. None of us seems to be very lucky. What are the chances of someone getting a picture?  Imagine I got paid what photographers get paid for a front page picture on the New York Times. Do you think I should invest $10,000 in a good camera with a big telephoto lens before the lion picture or after? Some London paparazzi was paid over $100,000 for a picture of Kate before she was married. I could come out $90,000 ahead.  IF I got that picture.

I did get lucky about a year ago. I was hiking with Johanna Turner, a wildlife photographer, near Peter Strauss Ranch, helping her place a motion activated video camera in a very remote canyon known to be frequented by lions.  What she does is place the camera and then wait several weeks, hoping for some footage. Mostly she gets deer. I was overjoyed to get a photo of a lion footprint and a scrape in the creek bottom before we left. It was the first ones I had ever seen. As far as I know, she did not get any lion pictures when she collected the camera. She told me she got a squirrel actually. She has gotten lucky on other occasions in the same canyon.  Another person I know trying to get pictures of lions is Michael Harris, a documentary film maker who is in the final editing phase of a film he is doing about lions. He waited for weeks in a hotel in Calabasas for Jeff Sikich, the National Park Ranger/Biologist who is the main mountain Lion trapper for the NPS, to let him know to come running after they had trapped one. Jeff is a world-class alpha-predator tracker who captures big cats in places like Sumatra. Michael had quite an off-trail trek to get footage of the lion and of the team at work. The film will be released here in the Santa Monica Mountains about the same time I publish my new book on Mountain Lions for the NPS. He loves to stay out late at night in the mountains with an infra-red camera , hoping for a shot, waiting right where he figures the lions are. Amazingly he’s never been attacked by a lion, just some Poison Oak when he fell in the dark.

So my point is that you can calculate for yourself what your chances are of seeing a lion, or far more significantly, what your chances of being close enough to hear one breath.  That’s what Michael was hoping for, it’s what sells.  A lot of people actually believe their chances of being attacked by a lion are very good but in fact have no idea what they are talking about. They are obsessed with their fear of lions and usually are good at transmitting their fears to others through lurid tales of vicious attacks that have never happened here. To find your chances, what you do is find out how many times anyone has ever been attacked  in the Santa Monica Mountains by a lion and divide it by the number of people visiting times the number of visits. You probably should multiply by the number of miles hiked as well or at least the number of hours in the back country. The longer you stay in the back country, like Michael and I do, the greater your chances of an encounter.

Here is a list of every lion attack in California.

After 35 years in the local mountains, the closest I ever got to smelling one was in Sycamore Canyon after the rain. My friend Jill and I both smelled wet hair and, although I didn’t tell her, I saw something moving the high grass next to the creek we were about to cross. It probably was someone’s dog going for a drink. Incidentally NO ONE has ever been attacked here in the Santa Monica Mountains. People I have talked to have seen them occasionally, but I’ve never heard of an attack. So to return to your chances, when you divide zero by any number you still have zero chances. Lion attacks here are a myth perpetuated by hysterical people who are terrified of wild animals and things like Statistics and Algebra. Take a look at the following link about attacks and fatalities in all of North America including Canada and Mexico. And don’t make up convenient, self-serving stories about people who fake data. Unless you want to confess.

In my next article for Patch, I’ll tell you what to do if you are lucky enough to see one and what I and my friends carry with me when we hike. I read an article this week about a mountain biker in the Santa Barbara Mountains who saw one recently, before it saw him in the wilderness in June. The second it saw him, it disappeared, like a ghost cat. He tried to catch another glimpse but it ran away from him.

V.P.A. August 15, 2012 at 10:35 am
I've been very close to a Mountain Lion in Malibu on the hills of what used to be Budwood Ranch right there on the PCH landslide. Basically they are Pumas, so if you find a kill, they are bound to return as they generally do not finish a deer in one go superficially covering the kill for their return They normally return late evening dusk & are active at night You'll need a night vision Camera with a long lense & a portable 'hide' It is not safe to approach them & essential to slowly walk away as they can spring 10 meters in your direction! They are not looking to attack you You are invading their territory. We are interfering in THEIR lives be respectful Our sudden movements, & ways of life, bicycles etc.,are frightening. They need to defend themselves & their families' space. They are simply beautiful creatures & will stare at you right in the eyes & then walk away. Just keep a great distance during all this.
V.P.A. August 15, 2012 at 10:41 am
Oh, forgot to say. If you do capture them on a night vision camera, you'll find that they behave just like a domestic cat cleaning themselves, resting, lying on their backs & playing (chasing after) bits of things that get blown around. I have never seen such a beautiful creature before I saw one.
Robert Coutts August 15, 2012 at 02:29 pm
V.P.A.
In speaking with Jeff Sikich the NPS Biologist/Ranger about visiting a kill, my assumption was that anyone would be out of their mind to mess with a lion kill, knowing the lion was around. However, in the course of his job as a ranger he has visited more than a hundred kill sites, gathering data about the lions diet and has never been threatened. Also, in gathering material for my book, I spoke to an American Indian at the Chumash Center in North Ranch/Thousand Oaks. He witnessed a fight between a large Bob Cat and one of their resident lions. By the time the dust cleared, he found that the Bob Cat had won. He (the guy) then went to the still warm deer carcass to check it out and nothing happened to him. I spite of their adventures, there is still no way I would visit a deer kill, knowing the killer was still around digesting its meal. Thank you very much for your your wonderful information. Your comparison to house cat behavior is great. Look at African lion or Leopard behavior as documented on film when they are relaxed in the shade. They are beautiful animals and their presence in our mountains is quite a gift. Just don't piss one off.
Robert Coutts August 15, 2012 at 02:37 pm
Patch readers interested in Lions might want to examine this site. It lists every single lion attack here in California.
http://tchester.org/sgm/lists/lion_attacks_ca.html
Bob Girard August 21, 2012 at 09:30 pm
Coutts was exactly right about the hysteria of people who think they will be attacked by a mountain lion or other animal if they venture into the SM mountains. These tales usually come from those who rarely or never go hiking. It seems like such a missed opportunity to live so close to all this beautiful wilderness but never venture out into it because of some myth that you might be attacked.
ThousandOaksLady August 21, 2012 at 09:46 pm
Oh, thanks Robert for the link. I read most of the stories, some of them were a bit too gruesome for me.
My one and only time seeing a mountain lion was while I was hiking at LakeLopez in SanLuisObispo County. She was up pretty high up on a mountain ledge looking down. I was pretty far away from her. I got a bit freaked out, and started to walk back toward the beginning of the trail. I flagged down the ranger, and told him I saw a mountain lion. He told me a female mountian lion in the area had recently had a litter and was probably keeping an eye on them.... That same day, I got to see a herd of deer cross the hiking path I was on, so it turned out to be an exciting day for me!
ThousandOaksLady August 21, 2012 at 09:55 pm
Yes, they are beautiful animals.

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