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What to do about rats and mice without killing wildlife.

Do you have rats or mice? They carry diseases like the plague, dysentery and typhoid. Recently, droppings and urine from deer mice in Curry Village and in Yosemite exposed 20,000 National Park visitors to Hanta Virus with many being sent to the hospital and three dying of the disease. The Park Service is using snap traps to reduce the population in Curry Village where the people are.

What does that have to do with the Santa Monica Mountains?  It’s all about what we do to kill our rodent pests. If you go to CVS for help with a rodent problem, do you ask for a rodenticide? You probably don’t ask for brodifacoum or bromadiolone.Those are the new high dosage rat poisons loaded with extra amounts of warfarin or Coumadin. They are in each of the most popular poisons. If you have a service take care of things, that’s what they use, the pest industry calls them singlefeeds. Most of us just want something for the rats and want the best bang for our buck. With these new more powerful anticoagulants, instead of several days and several doses, a rat will take two or three days to die with a single feed. It wanders off near your house dehydrated and looking for water and dies outside. Of course during this time it is a much easier target for local predators, like owls or your dog. Or cat. The rat may also eat more poison bait because the bait is easy to get at.

Singlefeeds have what is called a very long half-life, meaning that the rat’s body is a storage bin for the poison. An owl or a fox or a bobcat or a coyote which has eaten several poisoned rats gets a large amount of poison stored in its body. The poison does not go away for a long time. A recent NPS bobcat study showed as many as 30 bobcats a year die of Mange in the area studied. All of the dead bobcats studied had large amounts of rat poison in their blood stream. Also an owl study in Canada showed a large number of owls had been killed by rat poison after eating poisoned mice. That happens around here too.

Mountain Lions are predators at the top of the food chain and can eat whatever they want. While mule deer is their main food source, they eat other animals as well. In doing research for this article, I spoke to an American Indian at the Chumash center in the Conejo Valley who witnessed a fight between a bobcat and a lion on their property. Once the dust cleared, he found that the bobcat had won.  I suspect that they both had anti-coagulants in their blood streams based on current NPS research, so whoever was the meal would be the poison donor. Essentially every mountain lion collared and released by the NPS has been found to have anti-coagulants like brodifacoum in their blood stream.  P-17 died at a few months of age of neglect and malnourishment. It had a large amount of ant-coagulant rat poison in its blood stream. P-3 and P-4 were found near the 118 freeway in the Simi Hills a few years ago. They had bled to death and died of mange with large sores all over their bodies. The NPS found that they had died of anti-coagulant pest control poisons.

Can homeowners here make a difference?  We can remove garbage, BBQ left overs and bird seed.  We can do a better job of rodent proofing our buildings. I know I don’t want rats in the night. We can also stop using rodenticides. The problem, clearly, is how then will we get rid of our disease carrying rodents? It turns out that there are several alternatives, most of which are not as convenient as d-Con, or just hiring some service. The Park Service in Yosemite is using snap traps to limit the number of deer mice in Curry Village, those good old fashioned spring loaded, wire head banger/neck snappers. My neighbors recoil in horror from the idea of picking up a dead rat in a trap. In fact it is a very bad idea, by the way. Don’t ever touch the rat, they have fleas even when they are dead. Use a grabber like what you may have to reach up to get something from a high shelf. Then don’t use it for anything else. Also, wear long sleeves, long pants and long gloves.  I use the biggest pliers I have to grip the trap and a second long handled pair to open the wire.

Check out container traps. The mouse or rat goes inside the box and you don’t see it. You don’t touch it either. You just have to pay more money because you have to throw away the trap along with the dead rat. Then there are sticky tray traps which hold the rat’s feet till it dies of starvation and thirst. You have to throw that trap away as well. Then there’s an electronic Rat Zapper, an electric shock device which is the most humane so far because it’s quick. When you see the red light come on you take it to the trash and dump out the dead rat. And it’s reusable.  It’s also $42.00. You can also encourage owls, hawks and friendly snakes like gopher snakes. They are all natural rodent predators. A barn owl can eat 1000 rats per season. A gopher snake eats about a rat a week.  If you have to use poisons, you should pick up the dead and dying rats before your dog does.

If you have gophers, there is Gopher Blaster an oxygen-propane explosive device that starts at $1000. It sends a 5000ft/second shock wave through their tunnels wreaking death and destruction everywhere and blows holes in your yard. Or you can pour Gopher Goo down their tunnels and plug them up. Goo granules hold water, too. So, d-Con is easy and cheap and the others are more expensive and not as convenient. Make a choice between a couple of Café Mochas and a local Barn Owl.

Incidentally the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) has warned companies like d-Con and the parent companies like Spectrum Group and Liphatech about the danger of anti-coagulants to wildlife predators and more than 13,000 children per year.  Yes children are affected by anit-coagulant rat poisons, just look it up in the Center for Disease Control website. The companies just ignore the warnings.  It’s hard to make a living selling anti-coagulants if you can’t sell anti-coagulants. Protecting the wildlife is up to aware consumers. Like Patch readers!!!!

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M Stanley May 21, 2013 at 06:53 pm
Still no official spokesperson for CA State Parks? Not one person that speaks on behalf of theRead More project?? A REAL person who is paid to present facts, who got the contract to do the outreach that was in the budget documentation? Reach Out whoever you are, earn that pay!!!
Sulah cat May 21, 2013 at 06:36 pm
OK. Jamie, here's the deal. The money spent to restore the lagoon came from a pot of bond moneyRead More (voter approved) that was intended to be used ONLY for the maintenance of wetlands here in the state. If that money had not been spent here in Malibu it would have been spent elsewhere in the state on some other wetland. Any other use is a moot point. If you felt you were attacked it was only because you did seem a little obtuse. You first made the hot rod reference. Personally, I'm more into flat sixes than flat heads. Peace and have a good one. Puuuuuuuuuuuuuur.
JamieDixon May 21, 2013 at 04:19 pm
Sulah cat, My posts have demonstrated my belief that the “Malibu Lagoon RestorationRead More Project” is a name that may have been created in order to mislead people into thinking it that the project would be a worthwhile public expense. The idea of restoring the Lagoon isn’t necessarily a bad idea. That being said, I believe the money spent to alter the Lagoon could have been spent in many other ways that would have served the public better. Why do you attack me personally? First, you say I’m not a car guy and then you accuse me being into flat head Fords? Fords, really? Sincerely yours,
Max May 21, 2013 at 10:22 am
Your worst nightmare scenario: I predict that you’d experience brain freeze if you wereRead More having a procedure right here in Malibu at your friendly gastroenterologist’s place just as a smoke alarm went off in his office. You’d be a real quandary, namely, “When, what, where and how to evacuate?” In this case, the Santa Ana winds would blow from inside, as well as outside, the doctor’s office, in which case, both you and the good doc would evacuate pell-mell (or, should I say, pell-smell?). In anticipation of this high-pressure scenario, perhaps it’s in your best interest to hop onto the I-80 and (re) evacuate the 2831.67 miles back East, from whence you came, to avoid this potential sensory overload occurrence. In the meantime, should we get hit with another fire (G-d forbid), our Firefighter heroes, upon entering your home, would exclaim on their megaphone, "OK everyone, if you follow my commands and remain calm, everyone will be safe. Therefore, in accordance with International Red Cross protocol and common-sense guidelines, please make way for Burt, the children, the woman, the elderly and, finally, able-bodied men, to evacuate, in that order!"
David Armstead May 20, 2013 at 01:26 pm
the People of Malibu better wake up! this issue with Paradise Cove is only going to get worse. TheRead More city and Paradise Cove are working on an expansion of the parking there. See the link to a recent meeting at the city that is the beginning of Paradise coves expansion. It is very quiet and no one knows but look at the plan. Currently Paradise Cove does not have the proper Zoning to be doing what they do down there. The city thinks by letting them expand that it will get people off the highway so they are in favor but in reality it only puts more money into the pockets of Paradise Cove and people will still park on PCH and Paradise Cove will continue to sends drunks out onto the road to endanger all of us. Speak up! http://www.malibucity.org/download/index.cfm/fuseaction/download/cid/20457/
webecool May 20, 2013 at 03:26 pm
I ate lunch Friday at the Adamson House lawn and nearly 'chuncked out' with the smell of sewage.Read More Uggggg! It was worse than the biggest sewage spill that Paradise Cove ever had in the 15 years living there. I'm not a scientist like everyone else who has been arguing about this project but I know the smell of 8hit when I smell it. Something is seriously wrong. I am a mechanical engineer and it seems to me that all the scientists and smart designers have not taken into account any fluid dynamics. Water flows in, water flows out....water flows through. How hard is that? It seems to me they have designed what is called turbulence!
steve dunn May 19, 2013 at 04:43 pm
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Jessica E. Davis (Editor) May 17, 2013 at 03:51 pm
Love that you are using the message board to ask this question. Does any one have any ideas?
M Stanley May 16, 2013 at 01:33 pm
Thank you for the information Jessica!
Jessica E. Davis (Editor) May 15, 2013 at 05:54 pm
Also, first make sure you are signed in, and if you can't go to the reset password link here:Read More http://malibu.patch.com/forgot_password.
Max May 15, 2013 at 11:03 am
Dear Phil (re: Burt's column), I can’t quite put my finger on it, but, I sense anRead More Eggs-itential undertone to all this. Does the chicken Egg-ist on behalf of the egg or vice versa? Eggs-perience will reveal the truth. To be complete, I must rehash Camus’ “The Play-egg.” Yet, as I recall, in the Book of Eggs-odous, there wasn’t a single Play-egg, but ten of them… so many, in fact, that it seems to many readers to be literally a Dozen Play-eggs. But, then again, I’m not very religious. In fact, many of my colleagues take me for an Egg-nostic. But, they are such Hard-boiled fanatics, that, in fact, their peers surmise they boarder on Egg-lectic. But, as Burt always says in da ‘hood, “Om-letting them be what they want to be.” We, however, have one on Burt: Rumor has it that he fell of the Vegan and had an egg salad… to which he Eggs-claims, “It was a serving of ‘Egg Beaters,’ you Egg-Heads!!”
Jessica E. Davis (Editor) May 14, 2013 at 10:27 pm
From my family: McCluckens
Susan Tellem May 14, 2013 at 07:35 pm
Call them Nuggets, Fricassee, Kiev, Marsala and Enchilada because that's what chickens end up as onRead More the dinner plate. Just sayin'.
TheDr. May 2, 2013 at 11:26 pm
But autumn in old town around Farmington Rd and Grand River is nice as is the season anywhere inRead More Michigan..I love California and the years I lived there.
J. Flo April 27, 2013 at 02:21 am
May Malibu residents, businesses and our City ALWAYS have the foresight and passion to remember andRead More protect > "Malibu was a place I went to with friends to hang out at the beach. But the last few years, its become a place I often go to by myself as a little escape zone. Whenever I have need to clear by head and level my shoulders, I head out to Malibu for a little mini-vacation. Whenever, like Ishmael, it feels like a damp, drizzly November in my soul, I fire up my 1965 Chevelle Malibu Super Sport and go see the watery part of the world." Amen.
Darcy Miller April 27, 2013 at 12:43 am
I'm from Farmington, MI and I live in Calabasas now, off Mulholland Highway, for the same reason.Read More Beauty all around...
Sulah cat May 16, 2013 at 03:18 pm
MT-------still engaging in blatant hyperbole. Aldo Leopold van de Hoeck is not! Jacques, thanksRead More for the offer but no thanks. You'll just have to do it yourself. It's difficult to respond to a remark that has no sense. Puuuuuuuuuuur
Jacques Mehoff May 3, 2013 at 07:30 pm
I don't know why Sulah Cat would talk about CeCe in such a way, I thought they were friends......
Jessica E. Davis (Editor) May 3, 2013 at 07:24 pm
Thanks all for the love. I think I learned my lesson about taking time off though! It's been a busyRead More week back.
J. Flo April 10, 2013 at 12:51 am
We also use Havahart traps. They are gentle and humane, we can easily transport the little crittersRead More away from our population. We've done this successfully at least 20 times! Shared them with countless Malibu friends who've also successfully and humanely cured their rodent issues.
Maureen Haldeman April 9, 2013 at 02:29 pm
Many complain but do nothing more ... and it is only by action that something gets accomplished. IRead More applaud The Malibu Agricultural Society for persevering on this critical issue and thank the local businesses that removed the rat poison from their shelves. We really can all make a difference. Thank you!
Cece Stein April 9, 2013 at 01:56 pm
Dittos Kian Well said and thanks for your compassion .