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Learning to get along with the famous.

If a mountain lion came in the night, right outside your house, would you rush out with a bowl of milk? Don’t you dare!!! The lion would see your behavior as an aggressive gesture and probably reply in kind (that means it would attack back, not offer you a café mocha). You have to see things through the Lion’s Eye.

My wife and I used to have a wonderful dog, named Bear. He was a big white fluffy Great Pyrenees. The neighborhood kids loved to hug him and would try to go for a ride each time they saw him. He would just kind of stretch out and they’d climb on board. Then, one day, my neighbor came over, he was returning a long wrench he had borrowed. It was a good thing Bear was attached to a large tree with a steel cable. He got to the far end of that cable pretty quick, heading for my neighbor, and almost took out the tree. He went for our neighbor because he perceived a threat to me as John handed me the wrench. Bear saw my neighbor as coming at me with a steel weapon and was not going to let that happen. Afterwards, I saw my dog in a different light. So did my neighbor. With Bear around, no one in the neighborhood needs a 12 gauge in the night.

If somebody cuts me off on Malibu Canyon Road and I race back around them, slam on my brakes cutting them back, while giving them the finger, it’s going to get really nasty, really quickly. That would be stupid, but that does not mean it doesn’t happen along PCH. It’s best to assume the other driver will react very badly and you might just have to bite your finger. My traffic school teacher assured me of that not too long ago and I believe him. Get to know your own behavior as well as that of your special neighbors. You, me and Bear may do unusual things under special conditions.

Do you have a celebrity living next door? Are they not like you? Have you made some adjustments to their behavior in deference to their fame? Perhaps you are the celebrity next store and you are making adjustments to folks who are not famous. Contrary to the opinion of some, we actually have been getting along quite well with lions for the entire life-time of every lion living here in the Santa Monica Mountains. Despite the fact that many people have killed quite a few lions around here, no lion has ever attacked a person in the entire history of the Santa Monica Mountains. Unlike the Hatfields and the McCoys, they apparently are just not into vengeance. They have adjusted to their neighbors, too.

Similarly, in Yosemite National Park, which has 4 million visitors each year and a lot more lions than we do, there have been no attacks by lions. The lions just stay away from us. The next time you and your family visit Yosemite, say hello to Woody Smeck, the Park Superintendent. He used to supervise SMMNRA and might like to hear from an old neighbor. I know he’s happy when I send him a note.

Between 1907 and 1972 the State of California killed off 12,500 lions for predator control and the lions don’t know we have stopped. If you think that the memory doesn’t linger on, have you ever watched fifth generation garbage bears show their cubs how to open garbage cans in Sequoia National Park or perhaps baby ducks paddling along behind their Mom in the Lagoon? Behavior travels from generation to generation, whether you agree that it does or not. My theory is, that’s why the lions leave us alone, but what do I know?

When I ask people about the risk of attack by a lion, they tell me stories of bears in Glendale, lumping all wild things and wild places into something to talk about. I suspect they feel threatened by all wild things and are glad to substitute a bear in Glendale for a lion on the Backbone Trail. If they're honest, they will tell you about being attacked by some animal when they were young. By the way, Meatball has apparently found a new fenced-in residence in San Diego, with the assistance of the DFG. They want to send him to Colorado, but have not yet been able to, yet.

Some people believe that if there is a lion around, their family would be the first to be attacked. They certainly would be the first around here. As you have witnessed, people commenting on this blog have seen lions face to face recently. In Dume Canyon, S. M. Smith had a close encounter (25 yards) and both he and his mountain bike escaped O.K.. Another guy on a bike in Santa Barbara last month saw one before it saw him near Cachuma Pass. The lion evaporated as soon as they made eye contact. A lady who’s been in central Malibu for many years with whom I spoke at a talk I gave not that long ago, saw one near her home about 15 years ago. The memory was one she was proud to relate. TVLady saw one on a ridge near Lake Lopez in San Luis Obispo. VPA saw one recently near Budwood Ranch. LW saw one in Big Sycamore Canyon in Pt. Mugu State Park and another where Yerba Buena Rd crosses the Backbone trail. None of them made physical contact.

A wildlife conservation friend of mine in Westlake Village has seen them pursuing deer in the canyon below her home on a ridge, high above the lake. Several acquaintances and I met at her place a few years ago with a professional lion tracker named Dr. James HalfPenny, from Wyoming, to learn all about lions and their tracks. Jim has a Phd in Biology and in Ecology and he tracks lions and wolves in Yellowstone Park. He also has traveled all over the world tracking animals, including above the Arctic Circle. All these folks have seen lions with their own eyes and the lions in each and every real case, just wandered off, leaving them alone. Jim’s neighbors in Cheyenne will tell you a different story. I go with the guy with the Phd.

The popular myth that lions attack people at every opportunity is not borne out by fact in the cases that you and I are aware of right here in Malibu. People have lost their dogs, but dogs behave badly sometimes, ask my neighbor. Maybe we can tolerate the lions if we are not so hysterically terrified of them. Do you know that Lions are hunted with dedicated lion hounds by hunters who train them to do so? Google “Houndhunting”. One of my next articles will be on the NRA.

Life on actual mountain trails is different from life on a couch. Speaking of HDTV, if you’re watching the news recently, risk of exposure to Hantavirus to 10,000 visitors to Curry Village in Yosemite Valley has occured. The deer mice left the deadly hemmoragic fever virus in their feces and urine deposits in those warmly insulated tents. The unoccupied tents helped to dry out the deposits, which turned into dust when people walked in. People sleeping in the tents inhale the dust in the night. THAT’S the stuff of nightmares.

What can you learn from the lions? Ask the ranger/scientists who work with them. What we know ABOUT them is where they live, where and when they travel, what they eat and how they don’t get along with each other very well. But what can we learn FROM them is different. Don’t give me a bad time about lions not speaking English or how I feel about trees. Open up your brain and don’t sit and wait to be spoon-fed wisdom. There are no Cliff’s Notes or “Wisdom for Idiots” books that I am aware of. Lions’ actions speak louder than words, think about their behavior. They frequent the open spaces where the deer live and there’s no pollution. But, wait a minute, isn’t that why you moved here? It sure is why I did. If there is a lion in the next canyon, you’re probably not lulled to sleep by the traffic there. Then Google “ Newmark Warning” and our National Parks.

The Edge thinks having a big place with its own road system, a lot of guest houses and an ocean view is worth spending some bucks on.  He seems to like open spaces and lots of room to live his life, free from bothersome neighbors. Unfortunately for the rocker, the Coastal Commission and the lions have something in common. Neither one of them appear to like obnoxious, ridgeline builders. See, the lion’s aren’t so bad. I’m not as certain about the Coastal Commission, though.

I could write a lot about comparisons of survival of the fittest and de facto alpha predator behavior on the part of people and how we live our collective lives eliminating threats to our general well-being. Think of how we kill off lions with high speed cars and trucks and D-Con and depredation permits. If you know of someone killed by a drunk driver like I do, it doesn’t matter if the driver meant it or not or even knew they did it, you’ve still lost your friend.

One person writing comments on my early articles for Patch is convinced that lions do not have long to live around here. That’s wishful thinking. I suggest that that person take a closer look at the survival skills of lions and learn something new about their adaptive behavior. Think of the coyotes that live in Griffith Park or our local foxes. The First People here in the West learned from the behavior of coyotes and ravens and foxes long before Luther Burbank or Charles Darwin started writing scientific treatises. Maybe they had something going. Is your mind fit enough to learn from a coyote or a fox? How about an Apache? I did all of the above, it’s not that hard.

Also, in this vein, I’d like to recommend a book called “Becoming Animal” by David Abram. You’ll see wild life in a different way. Warning, you may have to sink low enough to admitting to your very well hidden genetically dictated character traits.

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hellwood May 22, 2013 at 11:19 am
...and more clueless pedestrians to be splattered
Ryan Valley May 22, 2013 at 11:16 am
no, I won't be funding this. If it was further down the coast maybe but NIMBY. :) There is enoughRead More traffic on PCH everyday without an app filling in the last few holes.
hellwood May 22, 2013 at 11:14 am
no worries Ryan. I wasn't sure if you kicked in a few bucks for this one, but the public isn'tRead More always respectful of the beach. Walking past giant signs that clearly say "no dogs" is disrespectful
M Stanley May 21, 2013 at 06:53 pm
Still no official spokesperson for CA State Parks? Not one person that speaks on behalf of theRead More project?? A REAL person who is paid to present facts, who got the contract to do the outreach that was in the budget documentation? Reach Out whoever you are, earn that pay!!!
Sulah cat May 21, 2013 at 06:36 pm
OK. Jamie, here's the deal. The money spent to restore the lagoon came from a pot of bond moneyRead More (voter approved) that was intended to be used ONLY for the maintenance of wetlands here in the state. If that money had not been spent here in Malibu it would have been spent elsewhere in the state on some other wetland. Any other use is a moot point. If you felt you were attacked it was only because you did seem a little obtuse. You first made the hot rod reference. Personally, I'm more into flat sixes than flat heads. Peace and have a good one. Puuuuuuuuuuuuuur.
JamieDixon May 21, 2013 at 04:19 pm
Sulah cat, My posts have demonstrated my belief that the “Malibu Lagoon RestorationRead More Project” is a name that may have been created in order to mislead people into thinking it that the project would be a worthwhile public expense. The idea of restoring the Lagoon isn’t necessarily a bad idea. That being said, I believe the money spent to alter the Lagoon could have been spent in many other ways that would have served the public better. Why do you attack me personally? First, you say I’m not a car guy and then you accuse me being into flat head Fords? Fords, really? Sincerely yours,
Max May 21, 2013 at 10:22 am
Your worst nightmare scenario: I predict that you’d experience brain freeze if you wereRead More having a procedure right here in Malibu at your friendly gastroenterologist’s place just as a smoke alarm went off in his office. You’d be a real quandary, namely, “When, what, where and how to evacuate?” In this case, the Santa Ana winds would blow from inside, as well as outside, the doctor’s office, in which case, both you and the good doc would evacuate pell-mell (or, should I say, pell-smell?). In anticipation of this high-pressure scenario, perhaps it’s in your best interest to hop onto the I-80 and (re) evacuate the 2831.67 miles back East, from whence you came, to avoid this potential sensory overload occurrence. In the meantime, should we get hit with another fire (G-d forbid), our Firefighter heroes, upon entering your home, would exclaim on their megaphone, "OK everyone, if you follow my commands and remain calm, everyone will be safe. Therefore, in accordance with International Red Cross protocol and common-sense guidelines, please make way for Burt, the children, the woman, the elderly and, finally, able-bodied men, to evacuate, in that order!"
David Armstead May 20, 2013 at 01:26 pm
the People of Malibu better wake up! this issue with Paradise Cove is only going to get worse. TheRead More city and Paradise Cove are working on an expansion of the parking there. See the link to a recent meeting at the city that is the beginning of Paradise coves expansion. It is very quiet and no one knows but look at the plan. Currently Paradise Cove does not have the proper Zoning to be doing what they do down there. The city thinks by letting them expand that it will get people off the highway so they are in favor but in reality it only puts more money into the pockets of Paradise Cove and people will still park on PCH and Paradise Cove will continue to sends drunks out onto the road to endanger all of us. Speak up! http://www.malibucity.org/download/index.cfm/fuseaction/download/cid/20457/
webecool May 20, 2013 at 03:26 pm
I ate lunch Friday at the Adamson House lawn and nearly 'chuncked out' with the smell of sewage.Read More Uggggg! It was worse than the biggest sewage spill that Paradise Cove ever had in the 15 years living there. I'm not a scientist like everyone else who has been arguing about this project but I know the smell of 8hit when I smell it. Something is seriously wrong. I am a mechanical engineer and it seems to me that all the scientists and smart designers have not taken into account any fluid dynamics. Water flows in, water flows out....water flows through. How hard is that? It seems to me they have designed what is called turbulence!
steve dunn May 19, 2013 at 04:43 pm
All I get on this blog is an ad for verizon
Jessica E. Davis (Editor) May 17, 2013 at 03:51 pm
Love that you are using the message board to ask this question. Does any one have any ideas?
M Stanley May 16, 2013 at 01:33 pm
Thank you for the information Jessica!
Jessica E. Davis (Editor) May 15, 2013 at 05:54 pm
Also, first make sure you are signed in, and if you can't go to the reset password link here:Read More http://malibu.patch.com/forgot_password.
Max May 15, 2013 at 11:03 am
Dear Phil (re: Burt's column), I can’t quite put my finger on it, but, I sense anRead More Eggs-itential undertone to all this. Does the chicken Egg-ist on behalf of the egg or vice versa? Eggs-perience will reveal the truth. To be complete, I must rehash Camus’ “The Play-egg.” Yet, as I recall, in the Book of Eggs-odous, there wasn’t a single Play-egg, but ten of them… so many, in fact, that it seems to many readers to be literally a Dozen Play-eggs. But, then again, I’m not very religious. In fact, many of my colleagues take me for an Egg-nostic. But, they are such Hard-boiled fanatics, that, in fact, their peers surmise they boarder on Egg-lectic. But, as Burt always says in da ‘hood, “Om-letting them be what they want to be.” We, however, have one on Burt: Rumor has it that he fell of the Vegan and had an egg salad… to which he Eggs-claims, “It was a serving of ‘Egg Beaters,’ you Egg-Heads!!”
Jessica E. Davis (Editor) May 14, 2013 at 10:27 pm
From my family: McCluckens
Susan Tellem May 14, 2013 at 07:35 pm
Call them Nuggets, Fricassee, Kiev, Marsala and Enchilada because that's what chickens end up as onRead More the dinner plate. Just sayin'.
TheDr. May 2, 2013 at 11:26 pm
But autumn in old town around Farmington Rd and Grand River is nice as is the season anywhere inRead More Michigan..I love California and the years I lived there.
J. Flo April 27, 2013 at 02:21 am
May Malibu residents, businesses and our City ALWAYS have the foresight and passion to remember andRead More protect > "Malibu was a place I went to with friends to hang out at the beach. But the last few years, its become a place I often go to by myself as a little escape zone. Whenever I have need to clear by head and level my shoulders, I head out to Malibu for a little mini-vacation. Whenever, like Ishmael, it feels like a damp, drizzly November in my soul, I fire up my 1965 Chevelle Malibu Super Sport and go see the watery part of the world." Amen.
Darcy Miller April 27, 2013 at 12:43 am
I'm from Farmington, MI and I live in Calabasas now, off Mulholland Highway, for the same reason.Read More Beauty all around...
Sulah cat May 16, 2013 at 03:18 pm
MT-------still engaging in blatant hyperbole. Aldo Leopold van de Hoeck is not! Jacques, thanksRead More for the offer but no thanks. You'll just have to do it yourself. It's difficult to respond to a remark that has no sense. Puuuuuuuuuuur
Jacques Mehoff May 3, 2013 at 07:30 pm
I don't know why Sulah Cat would talk about CeCe in such a way, I thought they were friends......
Jessica E. Davis (Editor) May 3, 2013 at 07:24 pm
Thanks all for the love. I think I learned my lesson about taking time off though! It's been a busyRead More week back.
J. Flo April 10, 2013 at 12:51 am
We also use Havahart traps. They are gentle and humane, we can easily transport the little crittersRead More away from our population. We've done this successfully at least 20 times! Shared them with countless Malibu friends who've also successfully and humanely cured their rodent issues.
Maureen Haldeman April 9, 2013 at 02:29 pm
Many complain but do nothing more ... and it is only by action that something gets accomplished. IRead More applaud The Malibu Agricultural Society for persevering on this critical issue and thank the local businesses that removed the rat poison from their shelves. We really can all make a difference. Thank you!
Cece Stein April 9, 2013 at 01:56 pm
Dittos Kian Well said and thanks for your compassion .